God does not exist: Proof!
WARNING: This essay contains strong language. Reader discretion is advised.
For many years I flatly refused to be called an atheist. I was not prepared to be identified in theistic terms. “Atheist” implies some “God”* which one can deny. And “atheist” is a “them” term, as in “us and them”. And, also, and perhaps most importantly, atheism is not a scientifically defendable position: One can not pronounce for certain that God does not exist, because there simply is no falsifiable evidence at all.
But I’ve changed my mind. Nowadays I am quite comfortable, and rather proud, to be called an atheist. I am indeed an atheist. And a radical atheist at that. I say radical, because I want people to know that I have, in the words of novelist Douglas Adams, thought long and hard about it. And I am convinced beyond a velleity of doubt that the probability that God exists is vanishingly small.
As a matter of fact, I have recently realised that there is overwhelming evidence that God does not exist: Every time a child cries out in hunger, God’s nullity is confirmed.
Think about it. Would you starve your children? Even if you are appallingly pissed at them for stealing your precious fruit? I know I wouldn’t.
Now, please don’t throw that “Original Sin” and “Divine Justice” bullshit at me. You know, that story about God being so just that the felony of Adam and Eve simply had to be remediated. That bullshit about kids starving because we are “sinful”. And “God”, poor bastard, can’t help it for justice. Yech, I think I’m going to be sick.
Think about this, if you will: If the Gospels are to be believed, there never was a more unjust execution in the history of the universe than that of Jesus, the Christ. For his alleged felonious status, he was inexplicably unknown to the prosecuting authorities who spent 30 pieces of silver to get a confidant to identify the innocent man. He is kangaroo judged by a riotous jury of his foes, condemned by indifference, clapperclawed, excruciated and crucified in what must surely rank as the number one most scandalous injustice in cosmic history.
This is God’s fix for the wanton depravity of pilfering fruit? Of offending His ludicrous idiosyncrasies? This evildoing speaks to God’s justice? It’s all O.K. now? God sees his “only begotten son” tortured and calumniated and in the son’s very moment of utmost despair, before dying, God turns his back on him… and His Omnipotence is divinely just?
G-i-v-e _ m-e _ a _ b-r-e-a-k!
This entire “God and Divine Justice” fallacy is predicated upon supreme injustice. Surely this ridiculous tarradiddle is nothing more but a machination of Bronze Age naiveté and Dark Age ignorance trumping even the ingenuity of the Monty Python Troupe. I exclaim with deference to Horace, risum teneatis, amici? – can you hold back your laughter, friends?
I asked my perspicacious American friend, Mayor of Manhole, Mississippi, Leroy Tecumseh van Buren, for his opinion.
Said Tecumseh, “I’m dumb-fuckin’-struck. Discombobulated. I don’t know whether to scratch my watch or wind my butt. These people must be destabilized by gross quantities of impure corn liquor and generations of profoundly unbiblical sex. In fact, I’s thinkin’ it’s a massive, collective, psychotic chemical flashback of all the drugs smoked, swallowed, shot, and absorbed rectally from 1960 to 1990. Thirty years of street drugs will get you some fucking weird ideas, my friend! Their minds must be aglow with whirling transient nodes of thought careening through a cosmic vapour of invention.”
Wise man, Tecumseh.
God. On a certain level I am disappointed that He does not exist. For I would have loved to poke him in the eye.
If God does exist, he is clearly such a scum bag that he should be avoided at all cost. Children, especially, should never be exposed to this abuser. Just think of what he threatened to do, what he allowed to happen, and what he did, to the children of Abraham and Jephthah and… and to his own “only begotten son”! This guy should not be allowed within a zillion light-years of children!
If God does exist, and if His Omnipotence ever was to show his incandescent visage he should be shot on sight and his stony heart crumbled by laser… just to make sure he stays dead this time.
* To be clarion clear: I am referring to the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob; Aristotle’s God: immutable, immaterial, omnipotent, omniscient, indivisible, He of perfect goodness and necessary existence (?)… not some vanilla “straw man” god.
As god bestaan dan wen hy loshande die eerste prys by die kleuterskool vir wegkruipertjie speel. Ek dink hy het vir homself weggekruip of hy is so skyt bang vir satan dat hy die hase pad gekies het en sy flight wat hy met satan verloor het aan suigelinge wat kaal die lewe inkom aan oorgelaat het.
Wat ‘n dapper en almagtige god ( 3 gotte in een of so iets)
DirkvdWest
February 26, 2008 at 8:48 am
Nathan en Dirk, dit is duidelik dat julle geestelike voorvaders Amoriete was en daarom kan julle net ‘n braaksel opdis wanneer dit oor die bestaan van God gaan. Julle geestelike moeder was seker van die Hetiete. Kyk maar op wat beteken die woorde; Amoriete en Hetiete en weet, dat ‘n dwaas sal kwaad word as hy getugtig word, maar een wat wys is, word meer wys.
Meeste sogenaamde Christenne vandag, het ook die selfde geestelike vaders en moeders as wat julle gehad het, daarom neem ek julle nie kwalik nie, want ek was in dieselfde situasie gewees.
Hans Matthysen
April 15, 2008 at 9:55 pm
Ma Hans
Hoe het jy dan jou bloedlyn verander?
Jy bedoel nou as jy ‘n Duitser is , jy jou bloedlyn na ‘n Neger kan verander deur vir die Jirrrrre Jeeeesus aan te neem.
Verander jou kleur dienooreenkomstig ook ? Fokket !!!!!
Dirk West
May 9, 2008 at 1:17 pm
Dirk, dit is duidlik dat jy nie die twee woorde opgesoek het nie en dus nie verstaan wat ek vir jou sê nie. Leë blikke maak die meeste lawaai. Vul jou met kennis sodat die lawaai kan verdwyn en jy wysheid kan bekom.
Hans Matthysen
May 11, 2008 at 10:31 pm
Did God Create Evil?
http://www.bibleone.net
Did God create Evil? At a certain college there was a professor with a reputation for being tough on Christians. At the first class, every semester, he asked if anyone was a Christian and proceeded to degrade them and mock their statement of faith.
One semester, he asked the question and a young man raised his hand. The professor asked, “Did God make everything young man?” He replied “Yes sir HE did!” The professor responded, “If God made everything, then HE made evil.” The student didn’t have a response and the professor was happy to once again prove the Christian faith to be a myth.
Then another man raised his hand and asked, “May I ask you something, sir?” “Yes, you may,” responded the professor. The young man stood up and said, “Sir, is there such a thing as cold?” “Of course there is, what kind of a question is that? Haven’t you ever been cold?”
The young man replied, “Actually, sir, cold doesn’t exist. What we consider to be cold is really an absence of heat. Absolute zero is when there is absolutely no heat, but cold does not really exist. We have only created that term to describe how we feel when heat is not there.”
The young man continued, “Sir, is there such a thing as dark?” Once again the professor responded, “Of course there is.” And once again, the student replied, “Actually, sir, darkness does not exist. Darkness is really only the absence of light. Darkness is only a term developed to describe what happens when there is no light present.”
Finally, the young man asked, “Sir, is there such a thing as evil?” The professor responded, “Of course, we have rapes, murders and violence everywhere in the world. Those things are evil.” The student replied, “Actually, sir, evil does not exist. Evil is simply the absence of God. Evil is a term developed to describe the absence of God. God did not create evil. It isn’t like truth, or love which exist as virtues like heat or
light. Evil is simply the state where God is not present, like cold without heat, or darkness without light.”
The professor had nothing to say……………..
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From this site’s editor:
The discourse above has merit. God is holy [1], which means many things, such as “justice” and “perfection.” It is without doubt synonymous with “deity.”
Since God is transcendent and independent of His created universe (1 Kgs 8:27), He is separate from its inhabitants and feared by them (e.g., Ex 19:10-25; 20:18-21). Thus holiness becomes equivalent to true deity, separating Him from the impotence of the gods of the defeated Egyptians (Ex 15:11): “Who is like unto thee, O Lord, among the gods? Who is like thee, glorious in holiness?” “Holy” in many passages is synonymous with “divine”: “There is none holy [uniquely divine] as the Lord: for there is none beside thee” (1 Sam 2:2; cf. Ps 99:3, 5, 9; Isa 40:25; Hab 3:3). Because He is holy, truly deity and thus infinite, there is no searching of His understanding (Isa 40:28; Ps 145:3). Holiness, then, is what characterizes God, and it includes all His other attributes.
(Wycliffe Bible Dictionary, Barton J. Payne, Th.D., Professor of Old Testament Language and Literature, Covenant Theological Seminary, St. Louis, Mo.)
For certain when there is “holiness” there is the absence of “evil.” God never created evil or anything as evil. Evil, in its purest form, is a “decision” (of the will) made by a created being to exist without (apart from) God. When God created Lucifer, a magnificent and strikingly beautiful angelic form, God created him with the ability of free choice. When Lucifer willfully chose pride to dominate his life and willfully chose to elevate himself to the level of God, it was then that Lucifer (Satan) introduced “evil” into the created universe [2]. When Eve and Adam chose to disobey God in the Garden of Eden, it was they who introduced evil into the human race, which is transmitted (the “sin nature” through the seed of the male from generation to generation, to us today [3].
Did God know before “creation” that His created beings would introduce “evil” into creation? The answer is yes. He knew, but without allowing His created beings the freedom of choice and its result, there could never be a full manifestation and appreciation of God’s holiness, love and grace [4]. What is more is that man, as a creation of God in His image, would never have had the opportunity for true fellowship with God, which is the very essence of the heavenly state. On a parochial plain, we may understand an inkling of this when we understand that there is no appreciation of light without the existence of the absence of light (darkness), or warmth without the existence of the absence of heat (cold). So only in that sense, can one make the accusation that God is “responsible” for the existence of evil, that is, He permitted it to happen. It was not His choice that it was to occur. It was His choice that all created beings would choose Him. But because they did not, He now is able to manifest His true nature to them. In the final analysis it could not have been any other way. Without free choice, man would have been a mere robot, who could never have understood and appreciated the nature of and fellowship with God—the ultimate and perfect state of a created being.
From a human viewpoint there are degrees of evil, but the truth is that “evil” is simply the decision to be “without God.” As one continues to exercise this decision in one’s life, it may well manifest itself in degenerative acts of unspeakable degree that may indeed impact one’s eternal state in hell should one die “spiritually” in that state of being. But no matter the degree, as man so judges the outward forms of evil, any person who is “without God” and thereby in a spiritual state of evil at the time of physical death will face an eternity in this condition apart from God in the lake of fire [5].
The only way a person may escape this spiritual condition (of “evil” or “death” is by faith alone in Christ alone. When a person turns totally and genuinely, by a decision of the will, to Jesus Christ (which is “the” act of repentance, that is, the turning away from every other confidence such as works or religion) by placing full confidence (trust) in Him and His sacrifice on Calvary for his personal salvation; that person instantly (at that moment of decision) is transferred from a spiritual state of evil (without God) to a spiritual state of holiness (union with God). This is a permanent arrangement that can never be undone, by God or man. [6]
Even so, while in human form, which embodies the “sin nature;” a Christian can still experience prodigal moments and journeys [7] as a result of evil (without God) decisions that will affect his present physical life and eternal awards to come [8]. Nevertheless, because the Christian’s soul and spirit are linked with God through Jesus Christ and are always in a spiritual “state of holiness,” they will be secure because of what Christ did, and never because of what the Christian can or will do. [9]
No Christian may every blame God for moral evil within the created universe, nor for any temptation toward evil. God does in fact create in some instances, and permits in others, calamity and adversity in the Christian and non-Christian life for the purpose of punishment, correction and guidance; but never is God the author of moral evil. [10]
The creature—whether angel or human—is created to be God-centered. To become self-centered is a contradiction of the basic law of creature existence. The falsification of God’s moral order, is, when self-centered, complete. It is also found to be a violation of the original design relative to interrelationships between finite beings themselves. Sin is not against God, but is against all other fellow beings.
There are several doctrines that man may never be able to fully understand. The beginning of evil may indeed be one of them. Nevertheless the fact remains that there is evil present within the universe and upon earth. Yet the day is coming for those who by faith alone in Christ alone have changed their spiritual state from “evil” to “holiness,” when they will experience no more evil or its fruit forevermore.
Pitie
May 14, 2008 at 2:14 pm
Nathan….Who designed your site?? its flow is excellent…. looks nice….
Pitie
May 14, 2008 at 2:15 pm
Die enigste wat Darwin-godsdiens en die christen-kerk-godsdiens in gemeen het is die “donate” link !
Noudat ons uit die Bybel leer dat kerk-era verby is en dat God die kerke aan die Satan oorgegee het is dit nie snaaks om te sien hoe die “slang” sy eie stert begin raakbyt nie…!
Ek dink nie hy kan los nie…!
johannes coetzee
June 20, 2008 at 10:53 am
Johannes, die kerk wat God tot stand gebring het is ewig en jy verwys seker na die kerke wat se oorsprong ontstaan het met die vervolging van Jesus en Sy dissipels?
Hans Matthysen
June 23, 2008 at 9:06 pm
Hans die kerkstruktuur is die strukture wat deur die eeue heen in terme van die Bybelse riglyne totstandgekom en opgerig was deur die verkiesing van opsieners in die opsienersamp waarna 1 Tim 3 verwys.
johannes coetzee
June 24, 2008 at 10:09 am
Johannes, wat jy hierbo skryf is die getuienis van mense en die kerkstrukture waarna jy verwys, is deur die Romeine, Jesus en Sy volgelinge se vervolgers, gestig. Hulle het wel die Bybelse geskrifte as riglyn gebruik, tog is dit nie die ware wynstok nie. Die strukture wat God, deur Jesus daar gestel het, bestaan uit Herders en nie uit huurlinge nie. Dit is die getuienis van God.
Hans Matthysen
June 30, 2008 at 10:41 pm
Since you are referring to the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, why not look into Islam. I think you will find some stuff very different and there will be no need for you to encounter original sin, Jesus on the cross, salvation and stuff like that.
As with a God allowing suffering and pain to children, I don’t think that is a strong argument against his existence. William Lane Craig refers to that as the emotional argument against his existence. Just because it feels wrong does not mean it is so.
Tim
July 20, 2008 at 4:05 pm
Tim
It is not possible to disprove the existence of “God”. And, methinks, that somehow means that “arguments against” a deity is also futile. I contend that it is much better – for “God”! – if it doesn’t exist: the shame of “God’s” cosmic fuck-ups would be too great even for an omnipotent being.
Islam, as I indicate in “72 Virgins” (see Pages) is a pathetic excuse for an idiotology (sic). Not interested.
Nathan Bond
July 20, 2008 at 7:25 pm
Nathan
The so called Cosmic F@#%$-^& of God, please be so kind as to show me what that consists off?
We are living in the 21st century and not the dark ages. Long gone are the days that anyone can claim unverified facts. Do not forget, the internet is a powerful tool and anyone can use it.
For every scientist that believes in the EVOLUTION, another is not.
And believe it or not it can be proofed.
So – God did not make any so called cosmic F)(*-()% my frind, Humans did!!!!
Greetings
DJ
July 22, 2008 at 10:53 am
DJ
When I argue “God’s” cosmic fuck-ups, I argue from the faith-based perspective that “God” indeed exists. I do so because believers are quick to recognize “God” and give praise for everything that impress them – from aunt Martha’s miraculous healing to little Johny’s improved numeracy skills. But “God” never gets debited!
So… if indeed there is a “God”, he is responsible (directly or tacitly) for hunger, for wars, for illness, for earth-quakes, for tsunami’s, for volcanic eruptions, for tropical storms and the like. And don’t, purleaze, blame it all on some fruit pilfering eons ago. If “God” is still pissed at Adam and Eve he has unresolved issues he needs to discuss with a shrink.
Pretty damned immature, this “God”.
Ps. About evolution… go read, dammit!
Nathan Bond
July 22, 2008 at 11:37 am
Hey, Nathan! your wish may come true, ole man.
When Jesus does come back to earth he probably WILL be shot and/or poked in the eye. Have you seen that play by the Irishman where Jesus comes back to earth? He lands up in Guantanamo Bay (hey, he looked brownish, had a beard and a towel on his head and spoke Palestinian – Worse: He couldn’t speak English!!! So you can’t blame that US Customs oke at JFK that threw him in the slammer!).
PS: What’s this “site editor” shit? Is there a sort of holy oke hidden in the background who is allowed to come onsite and say things (which BTW looked like BS to me) that somehow carry more weight than what us mortals say?
Explanation, please!
bewilderbeast
July 24, 2008 at 2:01 pm
Nathan en Dirk, dit is duidelik dat julle geestelike voorvaders Amoriete
Lekker Hans
Moses se vir die Amoriete – val plat tussen die riete maar watch vir julle tiete daar is moerse muskiete .
DW
September 23, 2008 at 8:12 am
As God nie ons skepper is nie, hoe kan dit wees dat Livitikus en Deuternomium so ‘n goeie handleiding vir die biochemiese masjien blyk te wees.
Mense vind nou nog steeds uit dat die Wette wetenskaplikke mediese voordele vir die biochemiese masjien inhou.
Die ene oor lee blikke is net so van toepassing op Angus Bachus en die Drie suster kerke … vul jou self dus met rellevante kennis voor jy ander mense van lee doppe beskuldig … party Sataniste ken julle geloof beter as julle self…
Bierpens
September 26, 2008 at 7:13 pm
“Scientists continue to be some of the biggest deluded fools on the planet sprouting off completely unsupported nonsense.”
WOW!!!!!!! Hier’s die link. http://www.Preterism.info.
Ontspan Nathan! Ek het verlede week vir die eerste keer van Preterisme gehoor. Ek teken toe sommer in op hulle nuusbrief! ‘n Mens kan dit skaars glo, maar hierdie ouens is nog meer fucked-up as die 38 2011 Bybeliete. (Ekskuus! Ek het van Mal Johannes vergeet: Maak dit 39.)
NS. DW, wat de fok gaan aan in Johannesburg?! Na gistermiddag beter die manne in Joeies vandag wegbly van gholf en eerder kerk toe gaan. Toemaar, die Bulle sal in die finals die Leeus wys hoe om die Sharks op te fok.
Daan Van der Merwe
September 28, 2008 at 6:14 am
” thought long and hard about it”!!!
What you just wrote here (the few remaining words after filtering out the obsene vocab)just proves you did not think at all.
How can you not proof God’s existence? Turn on Dicovery Channels and watch sea world (for example)…they will give you a mouth-drop evidences of God’s existence. The breath-taking organized cosmos is just too well organized to exist by some massive explosion.
Why are you angry at God, when you must be angry at the messing that humans commit in the absence of God?
Belief does not mean the total absence of ratinality. For instance, you use your head and logic to find out that God lies beyound your mental capabiilities of grasping the mysteries of this universe. You can’t claim that you understand this universe and the different froms of life which exist on it…they are a way beyound your head and beyound the head of the greatest scientists of our time..so you use your head to at least conclude that there is someone with supreme intelligence who created this complicated thing that you live in and is intelligent enough to have created you so beautifully complex.
Why does God allow some people to be hungry? well, imagine that you are living in a world where no one is needy of anything. All people are rich with their phsyical and phsycological needs overly satisfied. Where is the challenge? how can you prove that you are with God and not with otherwise? It is a necessity to have a room for imperfections so that we can prove ourselves by fixing those imperfections and filling in the gap. Imagine that students do not take exams at all (absense of pain and challenge), how will the professor know that they understood the material well? how will the students know that they have earned themselves an education if they did not take those tests (verbal, written, practical-easy and difficult tests)? So you see, the concept of pain is not far from your head or your understanding, coz while you seem to argue against it, you are actually appreciating it and realize its importance in life.
Let’s look at a simple example:
Your friend is sick. God allowed your friend to be sick so that you can help him (this is a chance for you to do something good), at the same time, your friend will benefit from this sickness:
1) he will sense your love and it will bring him joy.
2) he will grow stronger (if he did not have patience, he will learn it through his sickness- if he had no time for God, he will have time for God during his sickness and will feel God’s hand in his life, when he was too occupied with life to feel it)
3) It is a true test of his metal (essence). If he is truely strong and truely love God, he will endure his sickness and will get out of it stonger than before and more able to face life challenges. If however, he has a weak essence, then he will learn this deffect and will fix it. Even you believe in the blessings of hardships and you know that they create stronger humans and are usually an eye-opening experience, which opens one’s eyes on God’s beauty, the faithfulness of those who love you, who are your real friends and how aren’t, etc…
If you understood the usefulness of hardships, you will never blame God. Also, you have got to distinguish between the hardhips that God allow, and the hardships that one causes himself to suffer from becaue of his immoral behvaior or thinking. So if someone was so envious of his neighbour that he killed him, he can’t blame this on God, but only on himself and his twisted mind. God is innocent of the sins humans commit, and whatever harship He temporarily allows us to face, they are only meant for our strengthening and learning to become better humans than what we are now.
Mary
November 16, 2008 at 2:47 pm
So, what you are saying, is that people who are termninally ill and prayed to be healed yet die of their illness just did not believe sufficiently, or prayed hard enough, or their deaths must serve as a lesson to others? I lost two friends in the space of four days, Mary. Your ‘argument’ sucks. Fuck off.
Jan Swart
May 12, 2009 at 12:46 pm
Mary, having read your “example”, I wanted to puke. Believers are sick.
Nathan Bond
November 16, 2008 at 3:35 pm
Ditto. I am awed by what revoltingly, contortedly, perversely contrived rationales you believers are capable of dreaming up to preserve the illusion that your god is good.
Oh, and you might want to brush up on your cosmology and natural history. Too many straw men, you know. Also, look up David Hume’s critique of the argument from design while you’re at it.
Con-Tester
November 16, 2008 at 4:55 pm
An atheist has to convince himself – believing in God comes naturally. Vocabulary of the atheist speaks for itself!
Goldstein
January 21, 2009 at 8:07 am
Goldstein
Methinks humans are born atheists. And then the priests begin their molesting…
As I have said over and over and over again – my language is calculated to clearly show my disgust at religion and its idiot “God”. When religion ceases its unspeakable terror and its unimaginable mendacity my language will be tempered. Until such time, religion remains a crock of shit and religion’s “God” a cunt.
This atheist is happy to let his cant speak for itself as long as Christians let their deeds speak for themselves: war, discrimination, dupery…
What say you Christians abandon the lies – creation, virgin birth, life everlasting – and I abandon the descriptive words for your lies?
Nathan Bond
January 21, 2009 at 8:18 am
Goldstein wrote (21 Jan 09 at 8:07 am):
Yes, that’s true: atheism usually is a conclusion drawn from various lines of evidence and reasoning. Then again, so are the findings of science. In contrast, belief in (a, any) god is invariably a socially installed premise from which a veritable cornucopia of unsustainable and indefensible conclusions are drawn (c.f. “Anti-science”).
Goldstein wrote (21 Jan 09 at 8:07 am):
Yes, vocabulary – as opposed to gibberish – tends to do that.
Con-Tester
January 21, 2009 at 12:41 pm
what is the concept of God?
Say He is Allah the One and only; Allah the Eternal, absolute; He begets not nor is he begotten; and there is none like unto Him (Quran,al-ikhlas,112:1-4)
What is the religion accepted by Allah?
The religion before Allah is Islam (Quran,Ali Imran,3:19), (Quran,Ali Imran,3:85)
May Allah Guide Us All to the True Path.
Dzulhelmi
October 1, 2009 at 7:38 pm
“Allah” the guide to the “True Path,” eh?
Tell that to Coetzee, van der Merwe and Matthysen. I’ll lay a thousand to one odds that they won’t believe you.
Con-Tester
October 2, 2009 at 10:18 pm
Soon will We show them Our Signs in the (furthest)regions (of the earth), and in their own souls, until it becomes manifest to them that this is the Truth (Quran,Al-Fussilat,41:53)
Think about it.
Please visit: http://www.sundacolugo.wordpress.com
Muhammad Dzulhelmi
October 3, 2009 at 3:09 pm
johannes coetzee wrote (October 3, 2009 at 9:12 pm):
Allow me to translate: ):
See? That’s one down who doesn’t buy your version. Now we just need Matthysen and van der Merwe to weigh in with their own various flavours of infallible biblical knowledge.
Con-Tester
October 4, 2009 at 6:50 pm
Somehow in all that drivel I managed to miss “the Babtists” [sic]. Silly me!
Con-Tester
October 4, 2009 at 6:54 pm
When is soon? Only indoctrinated brain dead cloth head fools like you , Hans and Johannes believe in bull shit . Get a life man.
DW
October 6, 2009 at 8:28 am
Die woord allah is ontleen uit die Bible en word veral in sekere dele van die boek Daniel en Esra.
Maar presies wat die Katolieke, die Lutherns, die Babtiste, die Mormone, die charismatiese groepering, die Reformed, die “you name it” kerkgroeperinge hulle eie “do it yourself” gospels geskep het, het die Muslim of Isamietiese gemeenskappe hulle eie “do it yourself” gospels geskep.
As my mense (die christendom) tog maar net die Lewende God, die God van Abraham, Isak en Jakob, die Skepper van die hemele en die aarde met soveel respek, agting en vrees bejeen het sooswat die volgelinge van Allah uit die Islamitiese of Muslim gemeenskap dit doen sou beide groeperinge (die christen en muslims) ontdek dat hulle nie net dieselfde aardse vader het nie maar ook dieselfde Hemelse Vader het.
In ‘n sekere sin het die christendom veral vanwee hul hoogmoed gedurende die amper pas afgelope 2000jaar baie skade aangerig in die “broeder” verhouding tussen die nakomelinge van Isak en Ismael. Dis seker dan ook een van die hoofbeweegredes waarom die Muslim of Islamitiese gemeenskappe hulle eie “Woord van God” geskrywe het.
Vandag is dit ongelukkig die Islamitiese gemeennskappe wat in presies dieselfde strik getrap het as die waarin die Joodse gemeenskap getrap het gedurende die dae van die eerste koms van die Messias.
Genadiglik is Heilige God besig om die rekord straight te stel, naamlik dat die Heilige Bybel die enigste ware Woord van God is. Vir die christen wat in vormgodsdiens verval het wag egter die grootste verrassing van alle tye wannner die Messias op 21 Mei 2011 terugkeer en Hy die grootste deel van Sy finale oes uit die sogenaamde Oosterse en Asiatiese volkere gaan inbring.
Vandag hoor nie net die christendom weer die ewige evangelie nie maar hoor die ander 2/3des van die volkere buite die christendom die Goeie Nuus vanuit die Bybel en word hulle onleiding van die Heilige Gees in Sy ewige Koninkryk ingelei….!
Gedurende hierdie laaste van die laaste dae ontdek die nakomelinge van Isak en die nakomelinge van Ismael dat hulle inderwaarheid “broeders” met ‘n gemeenskaplike vader en Vader is wat deur hulle onderskeie kerkstrukture vir eeue van mekaar geskei en uitmekaar gehou is.
Genadiglik het die kerk-era vir goed op 21 Mei 1988 ten einde geloop toe Heilige God die hele kerkstruktuur “uitgespuug” het…!
Die een ware “kerk” is saamgestel uit niemand minder as diegene wat deur Heilige God voor die grondlegging van die aarde uitverkies is, Hy voor die grondlegging van die aarde vir hulle sondeskuld betaal het, Hy hulle gedurende hul leeftyd ‘n nuut herskepte hart (siel of gees) gegee het, en Hy aan hulle op 21 Mei 2011 ‘n nuut herskepte verheerlikte liggaam gaan gee sodat hulle vir ewig met Hom in Sy Koninkryk te regeer.
Aan God, aan Heilige God al die eer, van nou af tot in ewigheid. Amen.
Kom gou Here Jesus kom gou…!
johannes coetzee
October 3, 2009 at 9:12 pm
Johannes , as daai 3 gotte Jeeesus van jou die aarde iewers in 2011 gaan kom opfok het hy ‘n spesiale plan om al die Allah kakpraters ook op te fok.
Jy skryf ; Genadiglik is Heilige God besig om die rekord straight te stel, naamlik dat die Heilige Bybel die enigste ware Woord van God is .
Huh ? Wat bedoel jy nou . Gaan die Moslems en Jews nou begin Bybel lees en in liewe Jesus begin glo ?
Kak man jy droom , die Moslems dink jy is ‘n infidel en die Jews weet Jesus is ‘n kakpraat god ( 3 gotte )
Nou sê vir my ou Johannes . Jy het nou al mooi verduidelik hoe jou 3 gotte die 2 biljoen fuctup kerk gelowiges gaan uitspoeg . Wat gaan jou 3 gotte met die Moslems en Jews doen. Gaan hulle harder kak as jou Christen Broeders wat kerk loop?
Jy skryf ; Vandag hoor nie net die christendom weer die ewige evangelie nie maar hoor die ander 2/3des van die volkere buite die christendom die Goeie Nuus vanuit die Bybel en word hulle onleiding van die Heilige Gees in Sy ewige Koninkryk ingelei….!.,
Fok nou verstaan ek jou nie ou Johannes . Jy beweer dat jy net die evangelie moet HOOR en dan word jy ingelei. Gods man , dan is ek mos ook gesave , ek het die kakpraat evangelie al baie gehoor .
Of bedoel jy dat as jy na jou RADIOSTASIE KERK luister – HOOR – dan is jy gesave , maar as jy in die kerk sit is jy gefok.
Wat van as jy in die Mosk of Sinagoge sit en na die Imam of Rabie luister en HOOR . Is jy dan ook OK – of lê die triek in jou Radiostasie se kakpraat stories .
Jy skryf ; Die een ware “kerk” is saamgestel uit niemand minder as diegene wat deur Heilige God voor die grondlegging van die aarde uitverkies is.
Ooo my fok hier kom dit nou . Is jy uitverkies Johannes ?
Want jy weet as jy nie een van die lucky ouens in jou gotte se lucky packet is nie , is jy poer in jou moer ou broeder. Moertoe man ….met of sonder die gotte Jeeeeesus.
Wat jy nie verstaan nie ou broer , in jou eie woorde skryf jy dat god reeds besluit het wie gaan piekniek saam met hom hou en wie nie.
Weet jy wat ou Johannes , die dag as ek my laaste asem uitblaas wil ek sê dat ek alles uit die lewe gekry het wat moontlik was. Ek wil die dood net net maak – soos in sideways inglip en alles opgebruik .
Maar om piekniek saam met jou jaloerse gotte daarna te gaan hou , nee wat , ek like dit fokol om te sing soos in 24/7 , en nog minder om gotte se gatte te lek , en ek soek ook nie 72 of 100 virgins nie. Nee jissis , gee my eerder 72 slette of hoere met nice boob jobs wat die job ken. Jissis nee , fok , ‘n pieknie saam jou gotte en virgins . Wat kan kakker as dit wees.
Nee jissis , dink net om na Jesus se gekerm heeldag te sit en luister oor hoe seer sy handjies en voetjies is en hoe banggat hy was toe sy papa hom verlaat het .
Kry vir jou Johannes ek het nie tyd vir jou gotte se family kakpraat en opfok business nie .
DW
October 6, 2009 at 9:27 am
Dit is nou werklik ‘n Babel se verwarring wat ek hierbo lees en dit wil voorkom, of die onbekende God, nog vir baie onbekend is.
Hans Matthysen
October 6, 2009 at 10:42 pm