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Religion: Respect? Ridicule!

December 16

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Geloftedag” (Day of the Wow, I mean Day of the Vow)… December 16, 1838, was a great day for “God” – the “God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob”, Israel’s Iclanic Icon and the deity embraced by a small band of oppressed people (Voortrekkers – frontier patriots trekking away from a government of which they did not approve… it still happens in South Africa, by the way) in the distant South of the dark continent, Africa.

On that day, “God” was implored by His faithfull terrified, to kill. And “God” just loves killing.

According to an Afrikaner tradition, the Day of the Vow traces its origin as an annual religious holiday to The Battle of Blood River on 16 December 1838. The besieged Voortrekkers took a public vow (or covenant) together before the battle, led by either Andries Pretorius or Sarel Cilliers. In return for God’s help in obtaining victory, they promised to build a church. Participants also vowed that they and their descendants would keep the day as a holy Sabbath. During the battle a group of about 470 Voortrekkers and their servants defeated a force of about ten thousand Zulu. Only three Voortrekkers were wounded, and some 3,000 Zulu warriors had been killed.

“God” just loves killing, and often the more so when entreated by his terrified faithfull to kill on their behalf:

The entire population of the earth except for eight survivors (Genesis 7:23 )

Every inhabitant of Sodom and Gomorrah except for one family (Genesis 19:24)

Every first born of Egypt (Exodus 12:29 )

All the hosts of the Pharaoh, including the captains of 600 chariots (Exodus 14:27,28 )

Amalek and his people (Exodus 17:11,16 )

3,000 Israelites (Exodus 32:27 )

Homosexuals (Leviticus 20:13 )

250 Levite princes (Numbers 16:1-40 )

14,700 Jews (Numbers 16:41-49 )

All the subjects of Og (Numbers 21:34, 35 )

24,000 Israelites who lived with Moabite women (Numbers 25:4,9 )

All the males, kings, and non-virgin females of the Midianites (Numbers 31:7,8 )

The Ammonites (Deuteronomy 2:19-21 )

The Horims (Deuteronomy 2:22 )

All the Hittites (Deuteronomy 7:1 )

All the Girgashites (Deuteronomy 7:1 )

All the Amorites (Deuteronomy 7:1 )

All the Canaanites (Deuteronomy 7:1 )

All the Perizzites (Deuteronomy 7:1 )

All the Hivites (Deuteronomy 7:1 )

All the Jebusites (Deuteronomy 7:1 )

All the citizens of Jericho, except for a prostitute and her family (Joshua 6 )

12,000 citizens of Ai (Joshua 8:1-30 )

All the people of Makkedah (Joshua 10:28 )

All the people of Libnah (Joshua 10:29, 30 )

All the people of Gezer (Joshua 10:33 )

All the people of Lachish (Joshua 10:32 )

All the people of Eglon (Joshua 10:34, 35 )

All the people of Hebron (Joshua 10:36, 37 )

All the inhabitants of the country of the hills, and of, the south, and the vale, and of the springs and all their kings (Joshua 10:40 )

All 31 kings and inhabitants of their countries, and south country, and the land of Goshen, and the valley, and the plain, and the mountain of Israel, and the valley of the same from Mt. Halak to Mt. Hermon (Joshua 11:12,16,17; 12:24 )

10,000 Moabites (Judges 3:29 )

10,000 Perizzites and Canaanites (Judges 1:4 )

600 Phillistines (Judges 3:31 )

All of Sisera (Judges 4:16 )

120,000 Midianites (Judges 8:10 )

25,100 Benjaminites (Judges 20:35 )

50,070 people of Bethshemesh (I Samuel 6:19 )

All the Amalekites (I Samuel 15:3,7 )

The armies and five kings of the Amorites (Amos 3:2 )

The Moabites and 22,000 Syrians (II Samuel 8:2,5,6,14 )

40,000 Syrian horsemen (II Samuel 10:18 )

100,000 Syrian footmen, followed by 27,000 who are all crushed by a wall (I Kings 20:28,29,30 )

42 children eaten by a bear (II Kings 2:23, 24 )

185,000 Assyrians killed by an angel (II Kings 19:35 )

10,000 Edomites, followed by 10,000 more (II Chronicles 28 )

120,000 Judeans (II Chronicles 28 )

75,000 Persians (Esther 9:16 )

On the other side of the South African political spectrum, 16 December is also the anniversary of the 1961 founding of Umkhonto we Sizwe, the armed wing of the African National Congress.

Therefore, nowadays, December 16 is known as The Day of Reconciliation. The intention is to foster reconciliation between different racial groups. The holiday came into effect in 1994 after the end of Apartheid.

Day of Reconciliation? Why, nothing but killing attaches to December 16 – on both sides of the political spectrum!

But, hey, “God” had a red letter day, on December 16, 1838.

And “God” had the last laugh, as His Omnipotence always engineers, when he had the descendants of the victorious Afrikaners of Blood River comprehensively out negotiated in the early 90’s to establish a “New South Africa” – a killing field extraordinaire… And about to be led by a Zulu of whom most all Afrikaners disapprove.

(Day of the Vow and Day of Reconciliation source: Wikipedia.)

Written by Nathan Bond

December 16, 2007 at 10:55

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  1. Daan

    Dankie dat jy praat.

    Jy sê: “Ek baseer my geloof op ‘n Bonatuurlike Wese wie se bestaan nie bewys kan word nie. Jy baseer jou ongeloof op ‘n wetenskaplike teorie wat eweneens nie bewys (nog nie) kan word nie.”

    In alle redelikheid, Daan, daar kan gewoon nie by iemand wat lees enige twyfel bestaan oor die geldigheid van die evolusieteorie nie.

    Stephen Jay Gould het per geleentheid gesê dat as dit nie evolusie is nie, dan is dit iets soos evolusie wat die verskeidenheid van lewe veroorsaak.

    Jy sê ook dat jy nie kan glo dat 86% “dom” is, 11% onseker en net 3% “slim” is nie.

    Skrikwekkende gedagte, nè!?

    Wys jou hoe ondermynend die teoidiotologie ís!

    Nathan Bond

    December 20, 2008 at 08:31

  2. Rick! More.

    Nee, ek glo nie net omdat die meerderheid glo nie. Jy onthou heeltemal reg. Ek het inderdaad vroeër die getalle kwessie opgebring en jy het my geantwoord deur dit spesifiek met apartheid te vergelyk.

    Ek het êrens gelees dat 86% van die wêreld se bevolking gelowig is, 11% agnosties en 3% atheisties.
    My enigste punt met getalle is dat ek eenvoudig nie kan glo dat 86% “dom” is, 11% onseker en net 3% “slim” is nie.

    Ek glo omdat daar op die vraag waar die heelal en die mens vandaan kom, net een aanvaarbare (vir my) antwoord is. “In die begin het God die hemel en die aarde geskape.”

    Ek weet hierdie antwoord is vir jou en nog 2.9999999999% van ons ou blou klippie se bewoners onaanvaarbaar. Jy het so 4 maande terug (as ek reg onthou, op die draad “Loftus vir Jesus”) toegegee dat die wetenskap nog nie al die bewyse het nie, maar dat dit wat wel reeds bewys is, vir jou goed genoeg is om die bestaan van ‘n Bonatuurlike Wese te verwerp.

    En dis die verskil tussen jou en my, Rick:

    Ek baseer my geloof op ‘n Bonatuurlike Wese wie se bestaan nie bewys kan word nie.

    Jy baseer jou ongeloof op ‘n wetenskaplike teorie wat eweneens nie bewys (nog nie) kan word nie.

    Nou vra ek jou, Rick, (met respek aan PG Du Plessis)
    “So wie’s nou tops by die choice, ek sê!”)

    Nathan se antwoord is: “Waarom ‘n verdere misterie as oplossing bied vir ‘n bestaande misterie?”

    Wat, ek moet toegee, ‘n goeie antwoord is.

    Lekker dag.

    Daan Van der Merwe

    December 20, 2008 at 05:19

  3. Daan

    Jy glo sekerlik nie in god omdat die oorgrote meerderheid van die bevolking ook in god glo nie? As ek reg kan onthou het jy vantevore ook die getalle kwessie opgebring.

    Daan, vir eeue was slawehandel ook deur die blanke meerderheid gesteun. So ook was aprtheid die witman se redding in donker Afrika. Daarenbowe was die hele aardse bevolking tot onlangs nog, relatief natuurlik, oortuig dat die aarde plat is! En blykbaar was daar lelike, slymerige, groen monsters in die see.

    Wat het bogenoemde vier punte in gemeen? Die fokken meerderheid het gedink dit was so! Daarom was dit so, finish en klaar!

    Vandag lag ons natuurlik vir die absurditeit van bogenoemde voorbeelde (alhoewel nie almal nie). My punt is dus dit: Ek hoop nie jy glo net omdat die ander miljoene glo nie. Ons mense is slim diere (veral jy, ernstig). Los die ‘kop-onderste-bo-gevolgery’ vir die skape, man!

    groete

    rick

    Rick

    December 18, 2008 at 18:33

  4. Ai Nathan!! Dis lekker om te lees hoe jy en ‘n paar mense vir mekaar vertel hoe fokking dom 2 miljoen mense is. Hoe sê ou DW altyd: “Mooi man, mooi!”

    Dirk, hoekom glo jy so graag dat Calvyn en Luther hulle teenstanders vermoor het? Vergeet net eenkeer van al die anti-protestantse propoganda wat jy so graag lees en lees ‘n bietjie wyer.

    Google byvoorbeeld “John Calvin” en lees die Wikipedia weergawe van Calvyn se aandeel in Seritus se dood.

    Daan Van der Merwe

    December 18, 2008 at 07:48

  5. Hóór hóór!

    Een paar hande wat werk is meer werd as ‘n duisend paar hande gevou in gebed.

    Nathan Bond

    December 17, 2008 at 19:51

  6. Hierdie link is fokken pateties! Ek sal graag wil glo dat dit slegs in die Vrystaat kan gebeur, maar ongelukkig is ek verkeerd.

    As daar dan n hoër gesag is wat besluit wat en wanneer jy wat moet kry, wats die doel om te bid!?

    Mense moet ophou bid en hul hande vuil kry. Ek betaal nie n poliesman om vir my te bid nie. Hy/sy moet eerder in sy wa klim en die strate patroleer. Dis aksie, nie geloof in fokol, wat hierdie land, en die wereld, gaan regruk nie!

    rick

    Rick

    December 17, 2008 at 17:22

  7. But apologists will tell you with a straight face that their god always answers every prayer — just not necessarily in the way one had hoped for.

    So what figgin’ good is that? Maybe they should rather pray for enlightenment about these “mysterious ways” in which accident statistics have contrived to thwart their no doubt heartfelt annual imprecations and petitionings.

    Con-Tester

    December 17, 2008 at 08:55

  8. AmusedS

    What gets me is that the omniscient “God” of the multiverse is so fucking dumb that he needs lowly creatures to remind him and plead with him to make a particular stretch of road safe. Or, at least, safer.

    “If your Most Holy isn’t too busy just at the moment, would not you please come regulate traffic on this here stretch of pavement.”

    “Why?”

    “Well, ’cause people die here, your Most Beautiful.”

    “So? People die in Jos and I don’t give a fuck – why should I come help you guys?”

    “… ‘Cause we’re bucolic Free Staters who still believe in you, your Most Just.”

    I guess there were no fatal accidents while the road was closed for traffic to allow the entreaters to talk to “God”.

    Christians are fucking dumb.

    Nathan Bond

    December 17, 2008 at 07:24

  9. Just thought you’d LOVE this stupidity. Just something to cheer up your day! Siende dat dit Versoeningsdag is…
    http://www.news24.com/Beeld/Suid-Afrika/0,,3-975_2442886,00.html

    Amused Skeptic

    December 16, 2008 at 23:30

  10. Om te sê, dat God daarvan hou om mense dood te maak, is ‘n stelling, deur een, wat onkundigid is, wat God betref. God is nie ‘n mens volgens Hosea 11 v 9 en Nim. 23 v 19. Ons liggame gaan almal tot niet (dood) en somtyds gouer as ander a.g.v. ons leefwyse. Daardie klom wat die Boere aangeval het wou dood saai en het dit toe gemaai. Omdat hulle, die Boere, daaroor dankbaar was dat hulle die slag oorleef het, is ‘n bewys dat hulle nie so verwaand is, soos die wat dink dat hulle iets is, terwyl hulle maar nietig is, soos grass.

    Hans Matthysen

    May 1, 2008 at 21:27

  11. Inderdaad, dirkvdwest!

    This from Dealing with reality:

    In a recent study, Gregory Paul(1) tested the hypothesis that religion is associated with lower rates of lethal violence, suicide, non-monogamous sexual activity and abortion, by comparing data from 18 developed democracies. He found “in general, higher rates of belief in and worship of a creator correlate with higher rates of homicide, juvenile and early adult mortality, STD infection rates, teen pregnancy, and abortion… None of the strongly secularised, pro-evolution democracies is experiencing high levels of measurable dysfunction.”

    The broad trend, argues George Monbiot(2), looks clear: “the more secular, pro-evolution democracies have… come closest to achieving practical ‘cultures of life’.”(3)

    (1) Gregory S. Paul, Cross-national Correlations of Quantifiable Societal Health with popular Religiosity and Secularism in the Prosperous Democracies: A First Look, The Journal of Religion and Society, Volume 7, October 2005.

    (2) George Monbiot, Better off without Him, The Guardian, October 11, 2005.

    (3) Gregory S. Paul, Ibid.

    Nathan Bond

    December 16, 2007 at 20:03

  12. Ja , nee , ek verstaan nou hoekom Calvyn en Luther so genot daarin gevind het om hulle teenstaanders te vermoor. Aartjie na hulle vaartjie.

    En dan is daar nog ‘n Hervormingsdag en mense wat die volgende stellings maak soos Prof. Johan Malan, Universiteit van die Noorde.

    Prof. Johan Malan
    “Regerings wat God se oppergesag nie erken nie, bevorder humanisme en anargie en maak hulleself dikwels aan growwe gesagsmisbruik skuldig.

    Sien artikel hier :

    http://www.jesus-is-lord.co.za/Lifeline/Afrikaans/Humanistiese%20Hervormings.htm

    Hoe lank nog moet sulke idiote geakkommodeer word in die 21 eeu.
    Dit is seker hoekom die VSA ‘n moordenaar presedent soos George W Bush en sy Bible Belt sekte het.

    dirkvdwest

    December 16, 2007 at 19:26


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