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April 5, 2010 at 07:52

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  1. Hallelujah! Hallelujah! Is dit nie net te wonderlik nie? Kyk net hoe fokken vooruitganklik die NG kak…er…kerk is. WOW! Dis fantasties! Na slegs honderde jare en duisende vergaderings, skeurings , stryery en bakleiery, is daar nou wraggies vir jou ‘n tree vorentoe. As dit so aanhou dan sal die kakke…..er…..kerke, oor sowat ‘n duisend jaar, wie weet, dalkies vrouens toelaat om nie hoede te dra nie, of so iets. Ek weet nou nie presies waar die klomp onnosele fokkers hulself bevind met al die reels van moet en moenie, of sondes en nie-sondes-nie. Terloops, kan ‘n gay persoon predikant word? Kan ‘n swart persoon dominee word in die NG kak……er….kerk.

    Die klomp simpele fokken poese is so fokken agterlik, dat ek wil opgooi as ek net daaraan dink.

    Onthou, as sy jags is, Belhar. Dalk sal sy jou oornooi vir ‘n lekker naai. Hahahahaha. That’s verifanie, isn’t it?

    verifanie

    December 21, 2011 at 08:29

  2. Tot en met 1 Desember 2011, wil die vonkprop kerk niks gays as predikante hê nie, ’n feit waarop ek dieselfde dag om 22:19 gewys het. So alhoewel dit nou blykbaar orraait is om gay te wees, mag jy as ’n gay mens nie preek nie. Ek’s fokken beïndruk met diè liberale benadering wat weereens wys dat gelowiges letterlik enige kak sal opkots solank dit net so ’n bietjie lyk asof dit hul belaglike idees staaf…

    Con-Tester

    December 21, 2011 at 08:19

  3. Hello Daan!

    Jong ek dink die kerke het nog steeds voorbehoude daaromtrent. Daar word nog steeds as gevolg van Belhar met hulle koppe gesmokkel.

    EricV

    December 21, 2011 at 06:05

  4. Erick!!! Dagsê.

    In alle billikheid moet ek jou daarop wys dat die kerk, en spesifiek twee Afrikaanse kerke, veral die NG Kerk, oor die afgelope dekade hulle beleid rondom homoseksualisme drasties verander het. Gays is welkom in die NG Kerk sowel as die Hervormde Kerk. Daar is heelwat predikante, veral NG predikante, wie heeltemal bereid is om gayhuwelike te voltrek!

    Daan Van der Merwe

    December 21, 2011 at 05:18

  5. I asked Balanced Truths about the gays with the idea to prove a point.
    In my opinion christians and their churches are very arrogant, haughty and sitting on little thrones looking down apon gays, atheists and other freethinkers as second class sitizens which all of whom will go to hell. You can see that in the sentence “But, I am, unfortunately, sinking to your level now…”
    In my opinion what gays and other people do and think got fuckall to do with me. It does not make myself either ritcher nor poorer. I do not see myself better than the next man, even though I have a grudge against the godiots that bullshitted me my whole life in thinking that there is a three-in-one god.

    EricV

    December 20, 2011 at 09:50

  6. No. Nor is there any hope for their reason-raping, fence-sitting, babble-espousing allies who would like you to believe that they understand oh-so-deeply, but who really add little of any value because deep down they so very badly want this shit to be true that they can no longer think in an epistemologically sound way. So blinded are they by hallucinations of their own brilliance that no counter can possibly penetrate the glare — just like your typical godiot/bibliot/religiot/crediot.

    All that’s left is ridicule.

    Con-Tester

    December 20, 2011 at 09:02

  7. The benchmark of all religious idiots, is the fact that they do not question things in fine detail.
    Let me give an example:

    Some asshole like Bryan Fischer makes a statement: “Christopher Hitchens is in hell. He stood before god and did not repent, blah blah blah”

    Now, let us ask some questions……..

    Mr. Bryan Fischer, will you please tell us something about this place where Christopher stood before this god? Was it in a room, a house, a palace? What colour were the walls? Did he stand or was he allowed to sit on a chair? What was god wearing? What did Christopher
    wear? Was there a floor? Was it carpeted, tiled or covered with linoleum? Perhaps gold? Were there others present, e.g. angels or one or two of the biblical prophets? Was Noah there?
    Were there windows? Did they have curtains? Exactly how long did this meeting go on for?
    Was tea served?

    If someone had been inside a building, especially on a momentous occasion such as this, and professes to know something about an important meeting that took place inside this building, wouldn’t he/she at least be able to answer the few questions above?

    So, in the mind’s eye of these poor un-thinking, unaware simpletons, things “just happen in heaven” or hell or wherever. No detail is ever forthcoming. They never ask. Here’s another example:

    To create the universe, this god pointed his finger and said: “Let there be light”, or whatever he
    wanted there to be. Imagine that! Just by simply pointing his finger, he actually creates the expanse and all in it. Wow! But, years later…….

    He now realises that he fucked up badly, and decides to “fix it all”. So, does he point his finger again and says: “Wazzabam, fix it all”? Hahahahahaha no, the dumb asshole does what? He sends his only begotten son, (why only one, and why no girls?) to walk the streets, preaching and doing one or two miracles, in an attempt to change the entire world?????

    Could this god have had many children , including pretty little girls, if he wished? One would assume so, what with his powers of creation, isn’t it? Religious idiots are not supposed to question anything at all about the stupid things this god does and has done, in the stupid ways he did it, and boy, has he been STUPID! Shhh! don’t ask! You’ll burn in hell.
    How many children grew up learning not to ask questions? And then we wonder why, it is so easy for them to be bamboozled as adults, by confidence tricksters and charlatans. Don’t disagree! Don’t argue! Don’t think about it! Don’t question your father or mother! You are being cheeky! Don’t be so different! ……And then the emotional suppression that comes with it:

    Stop crying! Don’t mope! Watch your temper! Don’t be so moody!…..And the physical assault: “I’ll give you something to cry about”!

    Hoo boy! Is there any hope at all for these idiots?

    verifanie

    December 20, 2011 at 08:34

  8. Jissis jong, maa’ ons tweetjies is ’n paa’ dom fokken poese, nè? Vistaan fokkol van fokkol, nè? Kannet fokken valoek en weet net van gaskel, nè? Te fokken dof ommie ander fokken dose se fokken kak te sluk, nè? Net ’n fokken pitie hulle moer so fokken deeglik gesig-innie-kak vannie duidedlik-praat en sin-praat waens af, nè?

    Con-Tester

    December 19, 2011 at 23:19

  9. Well C-T,
    All I can do is to tell everyone, what a modest guy I am. Have I ever told you? Man, I tell you, I am famous for my modesty. I have written books about it, appeared on television, radio. I have even won prizes for my modesty. Modestly speaking, I do not really want everyone to know this, of course! But, I cannot help it if my modesty has been recognised, and the accolades come pouring down.

    So, for Ballas Troef to talk about “sinking to levels” all I can say to him is that he could never attain the heights that I have, what with me being such a modest person.

    I think the mere fact that we entertain the drivel that he espouses, is definitely a huge step-up for him.

    Ja-nee C-T, die duiwel is sterk en ons moet saamstaan

    verifanie

    December 19, 2011 at 22:10

  10. But fukkit verifanie, you mustn’t laugh even though the joke is so ticklish! I mean, we’re doing shit here, right? For example, “claiming grandeur for ourselves”. (Where? De fok alleen weet.) For another, there’s much clutching at straws. That’s true enough: Clutching for some sinvol goeters in bales of fokken strooi. Then of course there’s this allegation of “sinking to [our] level.” Blatant hypocrisy aside, I must beg to differ. It’s a huge step upwards for this turkey, given the usual standard of pretentious drivel on offer. Nonetheless, there is some merit in how it illustrates that all uniform motion is relative…

    So, you pat my back and I’ll pat yours, ou pêl, ’cos that way the stupid affectations will just keep on coming.😉

    Con-Tester

    December 19, 2011 at 21:24

  11. Ballas Troef,
    Hahahahahahahahah Hahahahahahahahahahahah Hahahahahahahahahahah Hahahahahahahahahha
    Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah Hahahahahahahahahahahah.

    Dankie, ek lag lekker

    verifanie

    December 19, 2011 at 20:25

  12. Hey, the flood of idiotic and inscrutable babble continues, as does the precious hypocrisy! Now with Added! Post Hoc! Corrections!™ Boosted with Soggy Pop Psychology Flakes!™

    For now, you’re just too fucking hilarious for words. Soon you’ll just be boring, I expect.

    Con-Tester

    December 19, 2011 at 19:23

  13. Really? veryfaktup, are you sure, the Royal wee is deluded? I don’t rightly know, you seem so very in tune with the lexical value of words, still, I am sure it is rather a little diluted, especially when it comes to the grandeur you two claim for yourselves.
    It is called context, you half wit.
    You two keep patting yourselves on the back, it is priceless! Mainly because you, veryfaktup, are a piss-poor example of intelligence and because Con-Tester is clutching at straws in keeping company with you. But, I am, unfortunately sinking to your level now, so this argument is again mute, and this time also moot.

    Balanced Truths

    December 19, 2011 at 18:48

  14. HEY C-T,
    It is a lot of fun, isn’t it? Ek lag so lekker dat ek agteroor slaan van my stoel af. Die klomp fokken idiote
    is vir my soms meer snaaks as ‘n nar by ‘n sirkus. I am also luvvin it…..

    Dit is te kostelik hoe hulle hulself vergryp aan die kak in die bybel en sommer enige ander kak wat hulle in die hande kan kry, om dan kwansuis vir ons iets te “bewys”. Die dom donners sal nie ‘n feit herken as dit
    hulle tussen die oe moer nie

    Kom godiote, wie is volgende?……….

    verifanie

    December 19, 2011 at 16:28

  15. Ai verifanie, the more you poke this specimen, the more its impostures and hypocrisy become evident. It’s like applied social science, something I don’t usually have much time for.

      
    

    😈 But me, I’m just luvving this…😈

    Con-Tester

    December 19, 2011 at 08:33

  16. Ballas Troef,
    Sorry, but we need to educate you old boy/girl. It is DELUSIONS, not dilutions. The latter is when you add water. Perhaps you should add more water before you write the shit that you do.

    verifanie

    December 19, 2011 at 08:21

  17. Fuck, yeah! An utterly brilliant response like that needs copying. If only it came from a more credible source. Still, I’ll be sure to make use of it at least half the time…

    Con-Tester

    December 18, 2011 at 23:22

  18. The Royal wee, dilutions of grandeur.

    Jy is n halwe doos, want met n hele doos kan n mens nog iets doen.

    Balanced Truths

    December 18, 2011 at 22:54

  19. Balanced Truths (😆😳 ) wrote (December 18, 2011 at 19:40):

    In contrast to any argument with Con-Tester, the argument about homosexuality may become less vociferous in future but it will probably never lack practical value.

    Typically inscrutable babble.

    WV Quine and JS Ullian wrote in The Web of Belief, 1970:

    Instead of construing special occurrences of certain words in special ways in order to count a man’s statement true, we find it simpler after a point to count it false.

    We’re clearly well past that particular point with this clown.

    Con-Tester

    December 18, 2011 at 22:26

  20. Hans, I am somewhat surprised that you should hold that view, do you mean to say that the concept of homosexuality is not a taboo according to the religious texts?
    In contrast to any argument with Con-Tester, the argument about homosexuality may become less vociferous in future but it will probably never lack practical value.
    Do you describe Satan as ‘hate’ or as ‘ lack of love’?

    Balanced Truths

    December 18, 2011 at 19:40

  21. 😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆

      
    

    Jeeeeeeebusssst! fucking Kraaaiiissst!, Hanswors, verily I say unto you, it is indeed a strange dictionary that defines “eunuch” as “woman” (of which the plural is “women”, not “woman” as some have it). Do you have to have faith to find and read this strange dictionary of yours? Or is it a “mute” (:lol: :oops:) argument?

      
    

    😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆

    Con-Tester

    December 17, 2011 at 16:52

  22. Balanced Truths, I agree with you on that one: Mat 19:12 For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother’s womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven’s sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it.

    Hans Matthysen

    December 17, 2011 at 12:40

  23. It is always sad when a voice of reason is no longer.

    Here is some more sad news, about thousands of abuse cases that have now come to light
    in the Netherlands. As usual, our “holy” friends have a big role to play, although it is stated that abuse happened/happens generally in institutions.

    How can anyone still argue that humans do not/have not suffered pain/hurt/trauma through the ages, and that Pain has been and still is a major companion to homo sapiens, rendering us so crazy, quite likely leading to the development of our intellectual brains as a defence mechanism.

    With our imagination we can “shut off” and go into another world where “jesus loved you if you weren’t loved by your parents”, or “so much does god love you that he gave his only son” and other bullshit. Hope, imagination, wishful thinking, ideations, dream states, etc.

    verifanie

    December 16, 2011 at 16:47

  24. Sad day: Christopher Hitchens succumbs to cancer. Can’t wait for the peanut-brain lobby to start spouting nonsense about “God’s punishment for unbelievers” or similar drivel.

    Con-Tester

    December 16, 2011 at 14:28

  25. Ballas Troef,

    I am a tall, blond-haired white-skinned heterosexual male of European descent. Please answer the following:

    Should I one day decide (in the future), to become a short, fat, dark-haired and smelly lesbian female Inuit, with post-nasal drip and severe halitosis, will I be able to walk into a chemist, ask for the right medicine, and change into one?

    verifanie

    December 15, 2011 at 20:50

  26. Ballas Troef,
    Hahahahahahahahahaha,
    You remain a big pain in the ass, without Scatophilia or anal sex, because of your your stupid remarks.

    Go to the chemist one day in the future, take some medication and then change into the opposite sex?
    Hahahahahahahaha,

    As Con-tester noted, “another fucking hilarious” verbal barrage.

    Your fantasies are as far-out as those of any religious idiot.

    verifanie

    December 14, 2011 at 07:56

  27. ErickV, when it comes to the Church, I am much in agreement with Paine. I do believe that in this life love is an important goal. There is so little love in this world that I see no reason why when two men or women choose to have a decent loving relationship there should be any objections. If we manage to devise a method of changing sex that is quick and painless, the option would be open to anyone to spend a few years as a person of the opposite sex and when bored to settle again in the most comfortable form, male or female. If this became a matter of simply going to the chemist and spending a few months changing then we would surely find many people willing to try. Given a decade or two of this, the argument would become mute. Men would change into woman, spend a few weeks exploring themselves and perhaps a few years whoring around, have a baby and change back embarrassed, then probably do it again. Woman would spend a few years as men and change back relieved. I am not into Scatophilia or anal sex as this seems unhealthy and physically damaging, but otherwise I have no issues with homosexuality.

    Balanced Truths

    December 13, 2011 at 20:44

  28. Balanced Truths

    I see the Gay vs Church debacle are in the news again.
    Now tell me, what is your view regading this matter?

    EricV

    December 13, 2011 at 04:54

  29. 😛😛😛😛😛😛😛😛😛😛😛😛😛😛😛😛😛😛

    
    

    Ah, yes. As expected, we get the ol’ fancy footwork shimmy so beloved by religiots/bibliots/crediots/godiots and their moronic cohorts, the purpose of which is to bullshit the audience into a sense that the performer has a clue what they’re on about. If you’re going to squash several thousand pages of scientific research into a single paragraph, do your readers the basic courtesy of making at least a rudimentary effort to be reasonably sure that (1) you understand the topic; (2) you understand plain English; and (3) give what is by far the most salient point, the one that all researchers agree on, before trying to make like the secondary/tangential/incidental/associated stuff is primary. Trying to dazzle your way out of the kak you have spun instead of doing the decent thing by recognising that it is kak just makes you look even more dishonest and stupid — exactly like any old religiot/bibliot/crediot/godiot, in fact.

    
    

    😛😛😛😛😛😛😛😛😛😛😛😛😛😛😛😛😛😛

    Con-Tester

    December 12, 2011 at 19:59

  30. verifani, stop reading Dr. Arthur Janov’s work, and make an appointment, go see him.

    The hippocampus and the amygdala are part of the limbic system. they play an important role in forming, grading and organising memories, a filing system for easy recovery of relevant information. The orbitofrontal cortex is involved with decision making and expectation.
    Kringelbach, M. L. (2005) “The orbitofrontal cortex: linking reward to hedonic experience.” Nature Reviews Neuroscience 6: 691-702

    Balanced Truths

    December 12, 2011 at 19:07

  31. Balanced Truths (😆😳 ) wrote (December 11, 2011 at 18:44):

    [T]he limbic system accounts for the formation of memory and, in particular, long term memory and plays an important role in storing information about motivationally significant stimuli such as reward and fear. It has lots to do with decision making skills. The limbic system, in short, is tightly connected to the prefrontal cortex and provides a sense of pleasure when solving problems.

    Ag kak man. Comprehension and intelligibility just not up your street, eh?

    Con-Tester

    December 11, 2011 at 22:14

  32. Balanced Truths,
    I am not the one who needs professional help. Professional “help” sadly does not exist in SA anyway. If you stop reading the baaaible and all the other philosophical crap, and familiarise yourself
    with the very latest real and scientific knowledge about the human condition, a la Dr. Arthur Janov,
    then your eyes will open, if you will allow it.

    Google arthurjanov.com and click on “Janov.s refelctions on the human condition” . Read to your heart’s content by perusing the archive, as he has written about almost every possible human condition there is. His latest posting is quite pertinent.

    You can also read any of Alice Miller’s works. Then there is The Continuum Concept by Jean Liedloff, or Summerhill by A.S. Neill. These authors do not philosophise, they describe and discuss the human condition in a most down-to-earth way, exposing all the stupidity of humans, especially as it applies to the parenting of young and vulnerable children. Only a fool and an idiot will deny that we have all been through the mill, having been messed up in different ways. There is great human suffering because of
    ignorant parents, hence the total and worldwide obsession with things religious and philosophical, not to mention all the other esoteric crap out there.

    Religious people live permanently in denial, and so do those who philosophise ad nauseum.

    verifanie

    December 11, 2011 at 21:06

  33. verifanie
    December 11, 2011 at 13:16

    It is easier for a philosopher to explain his ideas to another philosopher, than
    it is to a child…..

    Clearly

    The reason?
    The child will ask the real questions.

    The child will ask the naive, basic questions.

    Become a child again. Try to connect with your real self. Learn to cry again. Feel your pain, the neglect and other hurts from your past, and it will blow away all the philosophical shit and constant thinking that goes on in your head.

    Really? Can you verify that pearl of wisdom to be effective?

    Fucked up adults walk around with so much shit in their heads, i.e. their intellectual brains, the cortex or “thinking brain”, which is so disconnected from the emotional/feeling brain, the limbic system.

    Nothing in the brain is disconnected, the limbic system accounts for the formation of memory and, in particular, long term memory and plays an important role in storing information about motivationally significant stimuli such as reward and fear. It has lots to do with decision making skills. The limbic system, in short, is tightly connected to the prefrontal cortex and provides a sense of pleasure when solving problems.

    Stop denying the fact that your obsession with philosophies comes from a desperate search for something that went missing or never was, in your past.

    Get help!

    You are searching for the little child in you, which is your real self. It was arrested in its growth toward total fulfilment, and it keeps knocking.

    Seek professional help

    Balanced Truths

    December 11, 2011 at 18:44

  34. Balanced truths,

    It is easier for a philosopher to explain his ideas to another philosopher, than
    it is to a child…..

    The reason?

    The child will ask the real questions.

    Become a child again. Try to connect with your real self. Learn to cry again. Feel your pain, the neglect and other hurts from your past, and it will blow away all the philosophical shit and constant thinking that goes on in your head. Fucked up adults walk around with so much shit in their heads, i.e. their intellectual brains, the cortex or “thinking brain”, which is so disconnected from the emotional/feeling brain, the limbic system. Stop denying the fact that your obsession with philosophies comes from a desperate search for something that went missing or never was, in your past. You are searching for the little child in you, which is your real self. It was arrested in its growth toward total fulfilment, and it keeps knocking.

    verifanie

    December 11, 2011 at 13:16

  35. ErickV, yes I read Paine’s ‘Age of reason’, the quote above was taken from the introduction, it was written due to Thomas Jefferson’s attempt to persuade Paine not to publish this work.

    Or do I bluff myself not seeing myself as an atheist?

    No, I don’t think you fool yourself when you don’t conform to others’ views. Rather you watch and you learn by observation and some time or the other you are influenced to have certain convictions. These convictions will eventually fit one or the other category.

    Pantheism (all is God), lacks a certain level of freedom, in the late 1700’s Karl Krause offered the concept of Panentheism (all is in God). This holds one interesting difference where the universe is God’s ‘body’, but God’s ‘awareness’ or ‘personality’ is greater than the sum of all the parts of the universe.

    There are hours of interesting philosophical thinking there, especially about creation and co-creation and the notion that the creation is ‘in God’s image’. However, it raises the question about whether or not God is benevolent or whether the balance between good and evil is somewhat less controlled.

    The question is rather whether you perceive ‘Mother Nature’ to have awareness or personality? Even if your answer is yes, you are left with the question of whether your observations, on which you have based this answer, are valid?

    Balanced Truths

    December 11, 2011 at 07:56

  36. 😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆

    
    

    “… and from the mouths of theologians a veritable deluge of incoherent, self-serving sewage shall be heard…”

    
    

    😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆

    
    

    This secular (!) legal action couldn’t befall a more deserving lot should it comes to pass. What’s more likely is that they’ll come up with some slimy deal whose sole purpose is to preserve the illusion that these calcified fossils are still somehow relevant.

    
    

    😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆

    
    

    What an amusing bunch of brainless wankers these committed religionists are! And the things they can come out with!? Fucking hilarious!

    
    

    😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆

    Con-Tester

    December 5, 2011 at 12:23

  37. Balanced Truths,
    Have you ever read Thomas Paine’s “The age of reason”? If not, I suggest you do.

    ErickV

    December 5, 2011 at 09:01

  38. Balanced Truths,
    “I believe in one God, and no more; and I hope for happiness byond this life.”
    In the beginning of my journy towards panentheism/panteism/atheism that was also my idea of religion.
    That was also the first of “God’s” Comandments.
    I could not understand why Christians bow before the so called “Christ” hanging on a cross and then tried to explain that He was one of the “three in one”. What a lot of bull shit.
    Thomas Paine seemed to have the same idea.
    Now, at this point of my journy I see myself not as a full blooded atheist but rather as a pantheist.
    Like I previously said, I see Mother Nature as my God. That actually explain everything, evolution and the so called “creation” included.
    Or do I bluff myself not seeing myself as an atheist?

    ErickV

    December 5, 2011 at 08:39

  39. Once more: All of which is of course premissed on the idea that there is, in fact, an actual argument worthy of consideration there to begin with, rather than, say, an incomprehensible stream of confabulated gobbledegook.

    It’s central to that dark side of D-K that you see cannot judge your own incompetence.

    Con-Tester

    December 4, 2011 at 12:32

  40. “Whenever I am struck anew by the irrationality of ad hominem attack, I revel in the words of Elbert Hubbard, “If you cannot answer a man’s argument, all it not lost; you can still call him vile names.” – Nathan Bond”

    ““If arguments evolve into personal attacks, there are no more arguments.””

    Brilliant!

    soois

    December 4, 2011 at 11:51

  41. Enough said, indeed. In the first part of your message, you don’t speak clearly, so your point is lost in a stream of incompetent and inconsequent babble. Commonly-used Latin phrases appear in English dictionaries because they are, well fuck me gently, commonly used, you funny little joker, you.

    In the second part, guess which D-K profile you and virtually every other godiot/bibliot/crediot/religiot fits, whether overt like you or surreptitiously fence-sitting like certain others?

    Con-Tester

    December 4, 2011 at 11:11

  42. “It does take all kinds but that bloke down at the pub made another good point when he said that, “If you can’t fucking speak clearly, you’re wasting everyone’s fucking time…” – Need I say more, or is ole CT going to continue with his one strong point, Latin phrases!?

    “The unskilled therefore suffer from illusory superiority, rating their ability as above average, much higher than it actually is, while the highly skilled underrate their own abilities, suffering from illusory inferiority.” – the Dunning–Kruger effect. Enough said I guess.

    soois

    December 4, 2011 at 09:19

  43. Like you say EricV, Voltaire is a jewel. One of Paine’s quotes that I have always found inspiring: “Character is much easier kept than recovered.”

    I find it interesting that you like Paine’s views though. He held the notion that every religion is good that teaches man to be good, and he followed that thought with the comment that he knew none that instructed man to be bad and perhaps he didn’t but I know of some.

    I believe in one God, and no more; and I hope for happiness beyond this life.

    I believe in the equality of man; and I believe that religious duties consist in doing justice, loving mercy, and endeavoring to make our fellow-creatures happy.

    But, lest it should be supposed that I believe in many other things in addition to these, I shall, in the progress of this work, declare the things I do not believe, and my reasons for not believing them.

    I do not believe in the creed professed by the Jewish church, by the Roman church, by the Greek church, by the Turkish church, by the Protestant church, nor by any church that I know of. My own mind is my own church.

    All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit.
    Thomas Paine

    Balanced Truths

    December 3, 2011 at 18:24

  44. The sparkplug church authorities strike again — though it’s a toss-up between rejoicing or lamenting.

    Con-Tester

    December 1, 2011 at 22:29

  45. Ek sien daar is weer ‘n “Danie Botha kerk kamp” hierdie naweek. Toegang is R450.00 per kop en hulle verwag meer as duisend mense!
    Indien die uitgawes 50% beloop (wat ek nie glo nie want ek dink die verblyf en kos word in elk geval geborg) behoort Danie Botha so R225,000 in sy gatsak kan steek! Glad nie sleg vir ‘n naweek se werk nie!!
    Die arme donnerse drommels wat elke keer vir hierdie godiotiese foefies val!!

    ErickV

    November 30, 2011 at 10:40

  46. Ja wat, ErickV. Dit is nogal snaaks, maar ook net so ’n bietjie. Dit is ook nogal droewig dat die ouens wat dit die meeste nodig het die eintlike boodskap sal of miskyk of minag.

    Con-Tester

    November 29, 2011 at 22:19

  47. Skrywers sonder die “r”

    ErickV

    November 29, 2011 at 13:29

  48. Hello Daan!!

    Jong, ek weet nie so lekker van Glenda nie maar gaan besoek gerus http://www.positiveatheism.org waar jy sommer baie andersdenkendes se skrywers te sien sal kry.

    Con-Tester🙂🙂🙂

    ErickV

    November 29, 2011 at 13:19

  49. Whenever I am struck anew by the irrationality of clinging desperately, immovably, and at any and all costs to utterly improbable concepts which are plausibly illuminated by various naturalistic accounts, I revel in the words of Swindle Prober, “If you cannot frame a cogent argument but think that you can then your problem is either the dark edge of the Dunning-Kruger effect, or simple pigheaded mendacity. In either case, all is not lost because you can just pretend to know what you’re talking about by fabricating some new impenetrable shit with which to cover up the old impenetrable shit, and hope that nobody notices. And when they do and ridicule you for it, you can just whine repeatedly and narcissistically about ad hominem attacks and how maltreated you are, rather than addressing the actual problem, which of course is your dysfunctional cognition and pseudo-intellectual posturing.” — Con-Tester

    In this regard I am always reminded of some bloke down at the pub who held the notion that, “Anyone who claims to fucking respect science and then goes on to passionately butt-fuck the methods and principles of science at every fucking turn is either fucking deluded, fucking retarded or a fucking fake.” He also said that, “A witless fucking fraud steadfastly maintains by implication that the very slimmest fucking chance of mystical horseshit being objectively fucking real; such faint fucking chance is sufficient fucking reason to entertain it seriously, never mind that there’s fuck-all credible evidence for it, even after many fucking decades of dedicated fucking research.” It does take all kinds but that bloke down at the pub made another good point when he said that, “If you can’t fucking speak clearly, you’re wasting everyone’s fucking time, not fucking least your fucking own. Now fuck off and go fucking whinge somewhere else because your artless fucking dodging and moral fucking conceits are wearing a bit fucking thin, besides wasting my valuable fucking drinking time.”

    Con-Tester

    November 28, 2011 at 19:43

  50. Erick!!!! Naandsê.

    Voltaire was EEN van die redes?!?! En Thomas Paine nog een??? Noem nog ‘n paar assebief man! Wat van Glenda Jackson?🙂🙂🙂

    Daan Van der Merwe

    November 28, 2011 at 19:05

  51. Another one was Thomas Paine

    ErickV

    November 28, 2011 at 09:24

  52. Balanced Truths,
    Voltaire was one of the reasons why I lost my faith. He was one heck of a guy.

    ErickV

    November 28, 2011 at 09:22

  53. All of which is of course premissed on the idea that there is, in fact, an actual argument worthy of consideration there to begin with, rather than, say, an incomprehensible stream of confabulated gobbledegook.

    Con-Tester

    November 27, 2011 at 12:05

  54. Whenever I am struck anew by the irrationality of ad hominem attack, I revel in the words of Elbert Hubbard, “If you cannot answer a man’s argument, all it not lost; you can still call him vile names.” – Nathan Bond

    In this regard I am always reminded of Voltaire who held the notion that ‘anyone who seeks to destroy the passions instead of controlling them is trying to play the angel’. He also said that ‘a witty saying proves nothing’.It does take all kinds but Voltaire made another good point when he said that ‘all styles are good except the tiresome kind’.

    Balanced Truths

    November 27, 2011 at 07:46

  55. “If arguments evolve into personal attacks, there are no more arguments.”

    Well said.

    Daan Van der Merwe

    November 27, 2011 at 04:55

  56. If arguments evolve into personal attacks, there are no more arguments.
    ErickV

    ErickV

    November 26, 2011 at 06:44

  57. Balanced Truths said:

    “Verifanie, you need help, serious psychological help, it is clear that you have issues that need to be addressed. Your raving here is a definite outlet to these issues but I am pretty sure it will not be enough for one with such an acute affliction as yourself. Seriously I implore you, go seek professional help.”

    Well said.

    Daan Van der Merwe

    November 26, 2011 at 05:25

  58. The plain fact is, besides confabulating far too much, it is plain that you just cannot see. I never claimed anything about “science-fiction and fantasy novels”. That’s your invention. Ditto “invalidat[ing] the state”. Ditto “peculiar insight in unknown dimensions”. Ditto “a trigger would invalidate the phenomenon”. You are the supremely hypocritical jerk who feels perfectly at ease imputing to me what you object to being inferred from your own inscrutable babble.

    Read what is there, not what you think is there. Maybe then we can have a halfway civil conversation. Until then…

    
    

    😆😆😆 “Balanced Truths”, my big fat hairy arse — which you can kiss. Or not.😆😆😆

    Con-Tester

    November 25, 2011 at 22:56

  59. Verifanie, you need help, serious psychological help, it is clear that you have issues that need to be addressed. Your raving here is a definite outlet to these issues but I am pretty sure it will not be enough for one with such an acute affliction as yourself. Seriously I implore you, go seek professional help.

    I’ll never understand why those that claim to pursue reason will turn a blind eye to this type of adolescent illogical crap especially since it comes from a voice in their midst.

    Malherbe
    November 25, 2011 at 09:11

    Die blote feit dat die mens ‘n behoefte aan die bonatuurlike het, kan nooit dien as bewys van enigiets nie. Dit is ‘n feit. Daan, my mening is dat jy baie gewig gee aan die “Behoefte krag” en hierdeur die opponerende kragte probeer neutraliseer. Ek voorspel dat hierdie balanseertoertjie al moeiliker gaan word vir jou soos tyd aanstap. Veral indien jy eerlikheid hoog aanstel.

    In science you often find the need to be somewhere closely related to the pressures of the environment, the requirements of the molecule or the individual. The human need for a supernatural or advanced figure of authority does not subtract from the probability that such a notion is true.
    Obviously if you intend to acquire new information about a subject, whether it is scientific data or feelings, spiritual notions, you will change your perspective over time whether you are honest or not, everything evolves over time.

    Con-Tester
    November 25, 2011 at 09:55

    Having read many science-fiction and fantasy novels I cannot see from a logical perspective how the fact that a state can be induced would invalidate the state. If we had physiological traits that could provide a peculiar insight in unknown dimensions, that we normally would be unaware of, it does not follow that the existence of a trigger would invalidate the phenomenon.

    Balanced Truths

    November 25, 2011 at 22:36

  60. Malherbe!!! Dagsê.

    Nee, ek glo hoegenaamd nie in gebed nie. Maar ek speel maar saam met arme ou Verifanie. Die arme ou wil graag vir een of ander obskure rede glo dat ek ‘n fundamentalistiese Christengelowige is, wat ek natuurlik al lankal nie meer is nie.

    Maar kom ons gun ou Verifanie sy perverse plesiertjies en sy ge “Jesus se poes. God se poes. Fok aldrie die gotte wat een is” ens. ens. ens.

    Hy is een siek bliksem. Ek voel vir hom.

    “They are coming to take him away, aha, they’re coming to take him away.”

    Daan Van der Merwe

    November 25, 2011 at 17:58

  61. Quite besides, we now know how to produce mystical and transcendental experiences (which lie at the core of religious belief) merely by stimulating the brain in the right way. It’s jarringly odd that we should be able to do that through purely physical means when the religious position is and always has been that such experiences tap into a supernatural realm.

    Con-Tester

    November 25, 2011 at 09:55

  62. Hallo Daan,
    Kan nie verstaan hoekom jy bid nie. Jy weet mos seker al teen die tyd dat dit nie werk nie. Maar terug by jou manier van glo – ek vind dit altyd verwarrend wanneer iemand my vertel dat hulle op die of daai manier glo. So half asof hulle hul eie “brand” van geloof ontwikkel wanneer hul sien dat die ou “brand” uitgedien is. Jy sal erken dat jy dus jou manier van glo aanpas met die tye. En die tye verander. Hieruit volg logies dat jou geloof tot in lengte van dae sal verander, m.a.w. gestel Daan sou vir altyd (vleeslik natuurlik) kon lewe, sal die geloofs”brand” wat hy tans aanhang wesenlik verskil van die een wat hy oor 1000 aar sal aanhang. En nog meer so die een wat hy oor ‘n miljoen jaar sou aanhang. Indien jy ‘n grafiek van tyd teenoor veranderde dogma van Christelike geloof kon trek vir die afgelope 2000jaar en ekstrapoleer die toekoms in, kan ‘n baie goeie saak uitgemaak word dat 2000jaar van vandag af die Bybel waarskynlik op die spreekwoordelike ashoop sal wees (Dit is reeds in lande soos Swede die geval).

    Die punt wat ek wil maak Daan, is dat jou geloof nie op ‘n stewige fondasie staan nie. Dit word gedryf/beinvloed deur twee opponerende kragte, nl menslike behoefte en kennis/vooruitgang (tegnologies en andersins). Die blote feit dat die mens ‘n behoefte aan die bonatuurlike het, kan nooit dien as bewys van enigiets nie. Dit is ‘n feit. Daan, my mening is dat jy baie gewig gee aan die “Behoefte krag” en hierdeur die opponerende kragte probeer neutraliseer. Ek voorspel dat hierdie balanseertoertjie al moeiliker gaan word vir jou soos tyd aanstap. Veral indien jy eerlikheid hoog aanstel.

    Malherbe

    November 25, 2011 at 09:11

  63. Weet jy wat, ou Verifanie? Ek en my vrou is 35 jaar getroud en ek het haar nog nooit gemoer nie. En weet jy wat ou Verifanie? Die 35 jaar was nie altyd maanskyn en rose nie. En weet jy wat ou Verifanie? Selfs in die moelikste tye het ek dit nie eers amper oorweeg om haar te moer nie, ou Verifanie. Maar ek bly vir jou bid, ou Verifanie. Maar ‘n mens moet regtig onverbiddelik in die krag van gebed glo om vir iemand so faktap soos jy te bid, ou Verifanie.

    Daan Van der Merwe

    November 24, 2011 at 19:16

  64. Arme ou Verifanie. Ek bid al amper ‘n jaar lank vir jou maar ek sien GEEN resultate nie.😦 😦 My geloof is seker nie sterk genoeg nie. hehehe…..

    Daan Van der Merwe

    November 24, 2011 at 05:22

  65. Crazy. Plain fuckin’ crazy. Hoe sê Malherbe nou weer? O ja! So mal soos ‘n kolhaas op tik.

    Daan Van der Merwe

    November 23, 2011 at 19:27

  66. Hahahahahahahaha,

    Ou geDAANte,
    Gaan moer jou vrou of kinders jong. Dit lyk vir my of daar kriewelinge is wat nou weer moet uit. Lees vir hulle eers ‘n stukkie uit die kak-boek, (of die joolblad), en dan moer jy hulle, soos die gomgat dom gristen idioot wat jy is, en dan kan jy agteroor sit met ‘n glasie Oros in die een hand en die Huisgenoot (of ou Scope) in die ander, en jou draad trek met die Vaseline waarvoor jy so lief is.

    Jou idiosie is verstommend, nog veel meer as die deursnee gristen idioot…….

    O ja, amper vergeet ek: Jou gotte se poes; jou liewe jesus se poes; Fok aldrie van hom wat een is

    verifanie

    November 23, 2011 at 07:45

  67. 🙂🙂🙂 My fok!! En ek het regtig geglo niemand kan meer kak praat as Piet Stassen nie. Ai, arme ou Verifanie.🙂🙂🙂

    Daan Van der Merwe

    November 23, 2011 at 05:53

  68. Ou geDAANte-poes,
    Jy is te fokken onnosel om te besef dat jy nog steeds totaal behep is met die fokken kak-boek…..Net die dag as jy daardie boek opskeur in sulkie klein blaadjies en dit gebruik om jou gat mee af te vee, sal jy dalk regkom en begin ander insigte kry. O ja, amper vergeet ek…..jesus se poes! die gotte se poese! (aldrie van hom) Fok die gotte! Soos die sersant gese het: “Hey you free, come here, bouf of you”

    Erickv,
    Dit is OK. Niemand hoef met my saam te stem nie, hetsy gristen of anders. Maar doen jouself ‘n guns en lees gerus een van Janov se boeke, of google hom by arthurjanov.com. Ek sal nie vir ou geDAANte-poes vra nie, want hy lees net die kak-boek, ou joolbladdens, die YOU en Huisgenoot. Hy kry die tydskrifte in ruil vir so ‘n bietjie Oros of Vaseline.

    Ek sal sommer nou kyk of daar ‘n link is wat ek kan plaas oor Janov.

    verifanie

    November 22, 2011 at 20:33

  69. Erick!!! Naandsê.

    Nee, jy praat nie kak nie. Ek het al by meer as een geleentheid gesê dat ek dit wat die Christelike leër oor Jesus van Nasaret verkondig, nie kan aanvaar nie. Maar vir ‘n ou soos Verifanie, wat nie veel tussen die ore het nie, is dit maar moeilik om te verstaan. Al wat hy kan uitgil is “Jesus se poes! God se poes! Fok die gotte!!”

    En ja, ek het ook by herhaling gesê dat daar ernstige vraagtekens is oor die historiese korrektheid van die 4 kanonieke evangelies en dat hulle daarom grotendeels onbetroubaar en ongeloofwaardig is. Maar vir ‘n ou soos Verifanie, wat nie veel tussen die ore het nie, is dit maar moeilik om te verstaan. Al wat hy kan uitgil is “Jesus se poes! God se poes! Fok die gotte!!”

    Ek het ook al baie toegegee dat die Ou Testament tot die tyd van Koning Dawid, vol Hebreeuse mitologie, legendes en prosa is. Maar vir ‘n ou soos Verifanie, wat nie veel tussen die ore het nie, is dit maar moeilik om te verstaan. Al wat hy kan uitgil is “Jesus se poes! God se poes! Fok die gotte!!”

    Lekker aand, ou Erick.

    Daan Van der Merwe

    November 22, 2011 at 19:09

  70. Verifanie,
    Ou Daan is darrem nie regtig so kak as wat jy dink nie.
    Volgens my kennis is ou Daan nie meer ‘n liewe jesus freak nie, alhoewel hy nog maar die Ou Testament ondersteun.
    Of praat ek nou kak, Ou Daan?
    Verifanie, wat jou skrywes van Arthur Janof aanbetref, kan ek ongelukkig nie heeltemal saamstem nie.
    Volgens ander bronne is daar brein selle wat verantwoordellik is vir geloof. Jy weet, daardie “whah” gevoel. Dit is dieselfde breinselle wat verantwoordellik is vir daardie mal verlief of jagse gevoel. M.a.w dit is ‘n kop siekte.
    Daar is fokol “goddelliks” daaraan nie!! Selfs ouens soos Angus Buchan weet dit! Kyk maar na daardie wasige uitdrukkings op sy aanhangers se gesigte op die fotos van sy byeenkomste. Buchan en andere soos hy buit dit uit!
    Hey, ou Daan, wanneer tree jy die Rubicon finaal oor en sit die laaste paar stuiptrekkings van jou geloof agter die rug? Jy sal nooit spyt wees nie. Kommaan, maak hierdie dag die eerste dag van die res van jou lewe!

    ErickV

    November 22, 2011 at 12:38

  71. 🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂 Ek kan nie besluit wie praat die meeste kak nie. Piet Stassen of Verifanie.🙂🙂🙂🙂

    Daan Van der Merwe

    November 22, 2011 at 06:00

  72. Ou gedaante,
    Hoe gaan dit met die Oros en die Vaseline? Ja, ek weet jy het 38 jaar lank die joolblad gelees, en toe verder nooit weer enigiets anders gelees behalwe daai kak-boek nie, en jy glo tot vandag toe nog alles wat jy daarin gelees het. ‘n Man in ‘n walvis se maag is vir jou meer werklik as dit wat ek hierbo geskryf het, ne?

    Arthur Janov is ‘n wetenskaplike. Dit is wetenskap, poepol, maar julle godiote kan mos niks wat wetenskaplik is aanvaar nie. Gaan lees maar weer oor die “wonderwerke” wat jou liewe jesus-poes gedoen het, en bly dom, onwetend, en astrant. Ek sien jy is maar nog net so fokken agterlik soos altyd.

    verifanie

    November 21, 2011 at 07:45

  73. Fok!!!! Ek het 38 jaar soveel kak in ‘n Wits joolblad gelees.

    Daan Van der Merwe

    November 20, 2011 at 21:30

  74. IS IT ONLY RELIGION?

    This weblog is dedicated to the argument against religion – any religion – whether it is christianity, judaism, hinduism or islam.

    But I want to ask: In the opinion of those against any and all forms of religion, is it only the
    BELIEF in a god or any number of gods, that we should be arguing against? Are there not many other types of BELIEF systems, not related to the gods of the bible, the quoran, the torah, or other ancient scriptures? What about the BELIEF in a tokoloshe? We know that many or most of the folks who believe in and propagate the notion of the “established” gods all over the world today, may tend to ridicule or dismiss outright, the IDEA of the existence of such a creature. It is dismissed as a “superstition”, something that is apparently more laughable than a BELIEF in the more accepted versions of ethereal beings. The ancient Greeks and Romans believed in many different gods. Those beliefs are now considered to have been mere myths.

    The simple fact is that there exists today, hundreds of other BELIEFS, and these beliefs, are what is regarded as IDEA-tions. (Ideyayshuns) An ideation is just what it says: An IDEA. An idea in your head. In India, cows are THOUGHT to be “holy”. Also monkeys, rats and even some snakes. People develop ideations about almost anything on earth. Let me see how many I can recall off the top of my head:

    There are IDEAS about reincarnation; astrology, i.e. horoscopes etc; tarot cards; fortune telling; ghosts, spooks or poltergeists; mental telepathy; kinetics; astral travelling; talking with the dead; levitation; numerology, homeopathy; divination; spontaneous combustion; aliens and ufo’s; psychic powers; pre-destination, i.e. “you chose your parents, etc” . There are supposedly some humans who have certain “godly” powers and connections, and become revered as deities. And as a result, there are many cult leaders and “happiness-pushers”. The list goes on and on forever, too numerous to mention. All of these ideations, as well as some things that many humans do, like becoming addicted to drugs, pills, smoking, alcohol, food, i.e. overeating, are ACT-OUTS. Note: It is when someone becomes obsessed with a thought, a belief or action, and is driven by it, that it could be considered an act-out. What does an act-out do? What does it mean to the person who has become a slave to it?

    The big question is simply: “WHY?” WHY would humans want to develop IDEATIONS,
    and other ACT-OUTS? There must be a reason! Is that how it is supposed to be? Billions of people are victims of ideations/act-outs. There must be one hell of a great need out there for
    so many people to have become obsessed/enslaved/ addicted/driven. Obviously, we as humans are not happy. Not content. Not at peace. It seems we are unhappy, upset, angry, sad, depressed, miserable, feeling that something is missing, not complete, feeling hollow, hopeless, helpless, and suffering in all sorts of ways. Again we must ask: “WHY?” Why-why-why-why-why?

    The answer is, of course, that we are in PAIN. We are hurting, and we are trying to kill the pain and escape from the suffering by developing ideations/act-outs. Yes, painkillers and tranquilisers will ameliorate the unbearable symptoms for a while, but it won’t cure. Neither will any BELIEF in anything. (Notice how believers have to pray and work at their belief daily, reading the bible, and so on, lest they “lose faith”) At most, these things will bring some comfort for a little while. But the PAIN will always be there, until it is removed from our beings, roots and all.

    WHY? are we in PAIN? The answer is so simple……Because we got HURT. We got hurt somewhere along the line, which could have been all the way from a few weeks after conception, during the rest of the nine months in the womb, and very likely by a traumatic birth. Further on, we could have been hurt by not having had our needs met as babies. We are born with needs that are crucial to our wholesome development to adulthood. In the words of Dr. Arthur Janov, “most of us die without having had all our needs met”

    Developing obsessive ideations and also acting-out heavily, has a collective name. It is
    NEUROSIS, or NEUROSES (plural). In other words, we are neurotic. Neurosis is that thing that we do in order to try and stop the awful painful feelings, such as loneliness, confusion, phobias, paranoia (extreme fear), anxiety and a thousand symptoms more…….All the result of PAIN. Pain that leaves an imprint in our being….In our brain, our muscles, our bones, our very structure, our very DNA. We cannot be talked out of our pain, thus talk-therapy is truly useless. Medication helps a bit as long as we remain on it, and then not always. PAIN
    is a force or energy that is always pushing to get out. It knocks 24/7, in the form of high blood pressure, run-away pulse, high or low body temperature, migraines and more ways.

    We have to get in touch with our emotions. Evolution gave us a “repair kit” so to speak. Our very own tool box where within are the tools to rid ourselves of the pain of our past, though we need someone to show us how to use the tools, so that we can continue on our own. The pain leaves our systems via our emotions, e.g. very deep connected crying or anger, thus reliving scenes from our past. It has to be done in a scientific and systematic way, slowly allowing us to
    regress back to the earliest hurts, over a long period of time. If you need to know more, you can go to arthurjanov.com or read any of the 14 plus books he has written thus far, since 1969.

    Please be aware of charlatans who promise “quickie” therapies that are claimed to be the real thing. Many folks have been badly damaged by them. Sadly, Primal Therapy does not exist here in South Africa, only some mock therapies who try to copy Arthur Janov and they cause untold harm to suffering people. If you are interested, save your pennies and go over to Los Angeles. Amen.

    verifanie

    November 20, 2011 at 09:21

  75. D’Souza is ‘n doos!

    ErickV

    November 19, 2011 at 08:36

  76. Book review: Dinesh D’Souza’s What’s So Great About Christianity. Besides showing how Crushtians like D’Souza blatantly distort history for their own reprehensible ends, the review includes several telling observations on Crushtianity from an Indian perspective. Once again, it comes out considerably less than lilywhite.

    Con-Tester

    November 18, 2011 at 10:02

  77. Sorry, forgot to mention that in Dr Gericke’s instance, his change was in the end to atheism. One cannot help wondering if Hans has got a greater insights of his holy bok than someone like Dr Gericke? The latter makes it clear that he lost his faith because of the study of the bible. I suspect hnesty has smething to do with it. That and IQ.

    Malherbe

    August 10, 2011 at 11:12

  78. On the topic of dominees changing their viewpoints, it insightful that often the ones that go on to do a doctorate, are the ones that changes to so-called “liberal” theism. Case in point is Dr Jaco Gericke’s story. (http://debunkingchristianity.blogspot.com/2009/12/dr-jaco-gerickes-deconversion-story.html) Perhaps some of you already familiar with this, but makes interesting reading nevertheless.

    In my view the three important factors impacting on the process of losing one’s religion, are:
    1) A certain level of intelligence
    2) Knowledge – a very basic knowledge of science and scientific method should suffice.
    3) Honesty

    When considering my religous friends, numbers 1 and 2 are usually present, but sadly, number 3 is lacking. Perhaps it is fear of unknown territory, who knows.

    However, evaluating some of the posts above, one realises that fundies like Hans unfortunately have all three factors present. I pity them. Honestly, I do. They are hampered because nature dealt them an unfortunate weak hand.

    Malherbe

    August 10, 2011 at 11:06

  79. Pleasure, ErickV. I think it’s both hilarious and intriguing that a domineer in the Dutch Reformed Church (the original one, that is) should take up an atheist position. You’d’ve thought that, at the very least, a domineer would believe in the objective existence of a personal deity even if he rejects every other shred and vestige of dogma. In fact, you’d’ve thought it was a job requirement to hold such a belief.

    But whatever. It’s boringly predictable how all the godiots will respond. “No True Christians™!” they’ll bawl.

    Con-Tester

    August 6, 2011 at 09:31

  80. C-T
    Thanks for the link about the “dominees”. Very interesting.
    I have put the link on one of Beeld newspaper forums for the godiots to read.

    ErickV

    August 6, 2011 at 07:57

  81. All those who believe in telekinesis raise my hand…

    Balanced Truths

    August 5, 2011 at 21:41

  82. At last, a few dominees who talk a modicum of sense. Oh, the heresy! What will all the other know-it-alls say now…

    Con-Tester

    August 5, 2011 at 12:55

  83. Jacques Rousseau has written a good opinion piece in The Daily Maverick in response to a fellow columnist’s charges of Islamophobia and extremist atheism agains Sam Harris. It summarises the atheist position well.

    Con-Tester

    August 3, 2011 at 09:01

  84. Hey, things are moving forward! Cretinists and IDiots get a 14-0 drubbing in Texas. This milestone should, at least in theory, give even the densest of fundie nanowits pause to wonder about the horseshit they want to peddle as “science.” Instead, all we’ll hear are the usual inane bleatings of “Conspiracy!” and “Persecution!” and “Waaaah, no fair!”

    Con-Tester

    July 25, 2011 at 12:14

  85. Con-Tester

    December 28, 2010 at 21:09

  86. Here’s something for the godbots to watch. That would be you Hans, Gerhard, Daan, Johannes, etc.

    Tart remarks, indeed! For all the difference it’ll make though, we may as well be 500 years or more in the past.

    Con-Tester

    November 26, 2010 at 10:15

  87. Hanswors, …!

    Con-Tester

    November 12, 2010 at 23:07

  88. Con-Tester, …..!

    Hans Matthysen

    November 12, 2010 at 23:04

  89. Hans, omdat jy nie jou ontsaglike strooi reg kan bewys nie, is jy net meer bespotting waardig.

    Con-Tester

    November 7, 2010 at 21:13

  90. Con-Tester, omdat jy nie die Bybel verkeerd kan bewys, is jy nie meer ‘n reaksie waardig.

    Hans Matthysen

    November 7, 2010 at 21:09

  91. Hans, jou kop is so leeg van enige beduidende kennis dat jy nog nooit in staat was om te dink nie. Jy het ’n nuwe bandopnemer nodig sodat jy vir jouself bietjie kan gaan luister. Oor en oor en oor dieselfde benullose stront. En dan sê jy ek’s soos ’n grammofoonplaat. Te kostelik!😆

    Con-Tester

    October 31, 2010 at 10:55

  92. Con-Tester, jou kop is so vol kennis dat jy nie meer in staat is om te dink nie. Jy het ‘n groter geheue en hardeskyf nodig want jy reageer nou soos ‘n grammefoonplaat.

    Hans Matthysen

    October 30, 2010 at 21:37

  93. Hans, gelowiges wat dink dat hulle enige god in gees en waarheid dien, is belemmer en hulle skop uit hulle aard uit teen die wetenskap.

    Die kak is in jou kop want dit is duidelik, dat jy nie weet wat ek sê nie.

    Jou probleem is, dat jy nie mooi dink oor wat ek sê nie.

    Con-Tester

    October 20, 2010 at 22:37

  94. Savage, die God wat ek dien red sielle en daardie ouens se aards bestaan het maar nog net nie na ‘n einde gekom nie. Dit sal wel vir elke mens aanbreek.

    Hans Matthysen

    October 20, 2010 at 22:02

  95. Con-Tester, gelowiges wat God in gees en waarheid dien, skop nie teen die wetenskap nie.
    Die kak is in jou kop want dit is duidelik, dat jy nie weet wat ek sê nie.
    Jou probleem is, dat jy nie mooi dink oor wat ek sê nie.

    Hans Matthysen

    October 20, 2010 at 21:57

  96. Hans Matthysen skryf (Oktober 13, 2010 om 22:18):

    Die aarde wat vier hoeke het asook pilare, is simbolies en niks te doen met die aarde waarop ons woon.

    Ja, die wetenskap het al so amper 400 jaar terug die feite aangaande ons planeet ontdek. Dis net julle gelowiges wat daarteen geskop het want julle weet mos altyd beter.

    Hans Matthysen skryf (Oktober 13, 2010 om 22:18):

    Wat ons elkeen vandag is en weet, het deur die “Woord” ontstaan en die “Woord” is God.

    Loutere kak, Hans.

    Hans Matthysen skryf (Oktober 13, 2010 om 22:18):

    As daar nooit met ons woorde gebesig is, sou ons soos wilde diere gewees het.

    Probleem vir jou en jou geloofsmakkers is net dat ’n vermoë met taal geensins ’n vermoë met dink waarboorg nie.

    Con-Tester

    October 13, 2010 at 22:41

  97. Die aarde wat vier hoeke het asook pilare, is simbolies en niks te doen met die aarde waarop ons woon.
    Wat ons elkeen vandag is en weet, het deur die “Woord” ontstaan en die “Woord” is God. As daar nooit met ons woorde gebesig is, sou ons soos wilde diere gewees het.

    Joh 1:1 In die begin was die Woord, en die Woord was by God, en die Woord was God.
    Job 9:6 wat die aarde laat sidder uit sy plek, sodat sy pilare dril;
    Rev 7:1 En ná hierdie dinge het ek vier engele op die vier hoeke van die aarde sien staan, en hulle het die vier winde van die aarde vasgehou, sodat geen wind sou waai op die aarde of op die see of teen enige boom nie.

    Hans Matthysen

    October 13, 2010 at 22:18

  98. Hierdie 3 gelowe het dit almal verkeerd! Dis Johannes, of Hans, of Daan se god wat daai myners gered het. Die res dwaal.

    http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2010/10/but_they_didnt_even_get_their.php

    Savage

    October 12, 2010 at 06:22

  99. Savage

    October 11, 2010 at 06:38

  100. hi ek wil raad he watse musiek is van satanisme waNT MY KIND LUISTER NA MUSIEK WAT HULE OP NET SKREEU DIT KLINK NA NIKS RAADLOOS EN HYT N VREESLIKE ATTITUDE RAAD ASB

    johanna

    October 8, 2010 at 11:20

  101. McBrolloks

    October 7, 2010 at 18:45

  102. “It’s that sneaky little let’s-use-logic-and-reasoning-jus-as-long-as-it-doesn’t-undermine-my-cause dodge again.”

    How then, oh wise one, would logic-and-reasoning undermine my cause?

    Balanced Truths

    August 24, 2010 at 13:55

  103. Balanced Truths – and what a sad fucking joke of a name that is seeing the absolute drivel you manage to eject – the cause you’re obviously proselytizing is your own imagined unsurpassable wisdom. It seeps and gushes from every ignorant word you write.

    Irreverend

    August 19, 2010 at 20:19

  104. I will wait for Arbor Day🙂

    Balanced Truths

    August 19, 2010 at 14:18

  105. Balanced Truths wrote (August 18, 2010 at 14:38):

    If you see Irreverent around…

    Again: Why are you trying to drag me into your silly fantasies? What makes you think s/he’s any more visible to me than to you?

    Balanced Truths wrote (August 18, 2010 at 14:38):

    … tell him I would like to know what cause he thinks I am proselytizing.

    Your special powers must be failing you. Tell him/her yourself.

    Con-Tester

    August 18, 2010 at 18:04

  106. PS. If you see Irreverent around, tell him I would like to know what cause he thinks I am proselytizing.

    Balanced Truths

    August 18, 2010 at 14:38

  107. I don’t know, perhaps it all those ‘kernbome’ gerhard has been planting, the radiation must be turning me into a super hero with special powers, my powers double on arbor day.

    Balanced Truths

    August 18, 2010 at 14:33

  108. Hey, why are you trying to drag me into your silly fantasies?

    Con-Tester

    August 16, 2010 at 15:07

  109. Yawn. It’s those inscrutable “mysterious ways” again.
    *Sigh* The subject is God isn’t it…

    It’s those evidence-free and reason-depleted lightweight speculations about feel-good mystical twaddle again.
    Actually that was my point, however, about both the feel-good mystical twaddle, as well as the feel-bad-God is cruel therefore s/he/it cannot exist mystical twaddle.

    It’s those convenient and self-contradictory suppositions about what constitutes legitimate inference and valid paths to knowledge again.
    No, the premise is just that, it is a premise, are we not arguing both sides of the argument?

    It’s that sneaky little let’s-use-logic-and-reasoning-jus-as-long-as-it-doesn’t-undermine-my-cause dodge again.
    There is nothing sneaky about logic and reason. What cause?

    It’s that conceited god-is-beyond-your-comprehension-but-I-certainly-know-more-about-him-than-you-ever-will arrogance again.
    That goes both ways, nobody can know more about God, unless we argue around a definition of God that does not go against reality, and that is a challenge.

    It’s that transparent any-tatty-old-mat-will-do-to-sweep-the-Problem-of-Evil-under deception again.
    Not any old mat, no, there must be some conjecture as to the nature of the mat, however far it may be removed from being able to prove anything.

    Balanced Truths, indeed
    Irreverend Con-Tester😉

    Balanced Truths

    August 16, 2010 at 14:14

  110. Yawn. It’s those inscrutable “mysterious ways” again. It’s those evidence-free and reason-depleted lightweight speculations about feel-good mystical twaddle again. It’s those convenient and self-contradictory suppositions about what constitutes legitimate inference and valid paths to knowledge again. It’s that sneaky little let’s-use-logic-and-reasoning-jus-as-long-as-it-doesn’t-undermine-my-cause dodge again. It’s that conceited god-is-beyond-your-comprehension-but-I-certainly-know-more-about-him-than-you-ever-will arrogance again. It’s that transparent any-tatty-old-mat-will-do-to-sweep-the-Problem-of-Evil-under deception again.

    Balanced truths, indeed!😆

    Irreverend

    August 13, 2010 at 18:44

  111. “Dink jy dit is wat gelowiges se God so besig hou dat hy nie tyd het om die hongersnood, siektes en ander menslike lyding op sy aardse skepping uit te sorteer nie ? Plaas dat Hy ophou skep en die kroon van sy skepping, die mens, bietjie kom uit help.”

    The premise that an omnipotent God, which cares about the individual, should be more involved in following, a human perspective on, the requirements of right and wrong, is full of holes. We do not have all the data to make conclusions with. How do you know how the suffering is perceived from all angles, and what good and what negative outcomes will be forthcoming? How do we know whether or not reincarnation or an afterlife of some sort makes up a part of the package?

    Balanced Truths

    August 13, 2010 at 10:15

  112. Some good news for rationalists.

    Con-Tester

    August 12, 2010 at 16:51

  113. Savage! Dagsê.

    Ek is nie ‘n fundie nie, so jou vraag is nie aan my gerig nie.

    As ons die rocket deel ignoreer is dit ‘n uitstekende vraag en vir ‘n Christengelowige onmoontlik om te antwoord.

    Daan Van der Merwe

    July 17, 2010 at 07:19

  114. “Voorwaar ek sê vir julle, daar is sommige van die wat hier staan, wat die dood sekerlik nie sal smaak voordat hulle die Seun van die mens in sy koninkryk sien kom het nie.” Matteus 16 vers 28.

    Nou hoe verklaar julle fundies diè? Was selfs Jesus verkeerd of het sommige daar ook lewend opgevaar hemel toe? Of miskien is hulle op hemel toe soos Elia, met ‘n vuurwa. (Seker ‘n rocket, wat die ouens daai tyd nie kon verklaar nie.)

    Savage

    July 17, 2010 at 06:00

  115. Daan, ek het al lankal agtergekom jy het ‘n oop benadering tot geloof en ongeloof.

    Terwyl julle so lekker van die ouderdom van die heelal praat, kyk ek ‘n program oor die heelal. Daar word steeds nuwe sterre gebore, miljoene van die goed.

    Dink jy dit is wat gelowiges se God so besig hou dat hy nie tyd het om die hongersnood, siektes en ander menslike lyding op sy aardse skepping uit te sorteer nie ? Plaas dat Hy ophou skep en die kroon van sy skepping, die mens, bietjie kom uit help.

    Nee, Flippen Hel. Iemand wat nog kan glo daar is ‘n Hemelpappa wat na ons kyk, moet asb. vir my verduidelik hoe dit vir hom/haar sin maak. Dis ‘n pot stront man.

    screw-tin-eyes

    July 11, 2010 at 18:14

  116. Hellow Satan , ek hoop my naam is in jou boek . Die fok weet alleen ek wil eerder saam met jou en Paris Hilton wees as saam met die kloosterkoek koeksister tannies van die kerk en Radiostasies – hetsy Johannes se kakpraat radio of Radio Pretoria.

    Ek weet jy like vir god fokkol ( ek kan egter jou nie kwalik neem nie – want wie de fok wil nou 24/7 vir triljoen jaar staan en sing) maar kan jy asb vir my uitvind ( ek weet jy het nog spy’s daar bo ) of ek uitverkies is . Indien my naam in daai doos se boek staan kan jy miskien reël dat iemand dit uit tipp-ex .

    Jissis chomma moet nie meer Christene versoek nie – los die fokkers uit , al die goeie mense het die Christelike geloof gelos . Kyk nou maar hier op die forum , wil jy regtig hê dat mense soos Johannes, Hans en Daan ons partie kom befok.

    Thanks my chomma.

    DW

    July 11, 2010 at 12:12

  117. De Duiwel!!! Dagsê.

    Jy sê:

    1. “Daan, come to think of it: Hoekom sal ‘n primitiewe stam weekliks pos ontvang…?”

    Nee, hoe de fok moet ek weet? Vra vir Professor Conrad du Toetser. Hy weet alles.

    2. “Is Johannes besig om hom voor te berei vir die grt gebeurtenis (na die worldcup soccer 2010) in 2011, of is dit nou 2012? Ek verwys nou na Johannes se afwesigheid hier op die forum.”

    Jy bedoel nie…. Nee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Daan Van der Merwe

    July 11, 2010 at 11:47

  118. Savage!! Dagsê.

    “Die jongste syfer is 13.7 biljoen jaar volgens die ΛCDM kosmologie model.”

    Okay, so call me a liar for a mere fuckin 4,3 billion years.

    Daan Van der Merwe

    July 11, 2010 at 11:41

  119. Daan, lees gerus ’n bietjie oor die sg. “cargo cult” en veral die rol van “John Frum” daarin. As ’n model van hoe geloof moontlik tot stand kan kom is dit heelwat insiggewend. Moenie kulturele en menslik-sielkundige faktore onderskat nie.

    Con-Tester

    July 11, 2010 at 11:39

  120. Daan, come to think of it: Hoekom sal ‘n primitiewe stam weekliks pos ontvang…?

    Is Johannes besig om hom voor te berei vir die grt gebeurtenis (na die worldcup soccer 2010) in 2011, of is dit nou 2012? Ek verwys nou na Johannes se afwesigheid hier op die forum.

    Satan

    July 11, 2010 at 11:02

  121. “There can be no doubt whatsoever that the universe began 9,3 billion years ago with the big bang …”

    Die jongste syfer is 13.7 biljoen jaar volgens die ΛCDM kosmologie model.

    Savage

    July 11, 2010 at 06:35

  122. Skroef!! Goeie more.

    Jy vra: “Waarom is ons spesie (wat kan dink) so geneig om ‘n God in die ‘gap’ te druk as ons nie iets verstaan nie.”

    Die ander dag gesels ek met ‘n maat van my wie voorheen ook op Kletskerk deelgeneem het. Volgens hom het die spesie “homo sapiens sapiens” oor die jare nog altyd die inherente behoefte gehad om Iets of Iemand magtiger as hyself te aanbid.

    So vertel hy my van ‘n stam primitiewe mense wie redelik afgesonderd in die Amasone woude gebly het, en eenkeer ‘n week het die vliegtuig wat die pos bring, oor hulle nedersetting gevlieg. Hierdie mense het geglo dat die vliegtuig ‘n bonatuurlike opperwese is en het hulle dan ook die vliegtuig geloof, geprys en aanbid.

    Crazy fuckin Injuns!!!

    Skroef, ek het gehoop dat jy uit my vorige pos sou agterkom dat ek inderdaad ‘n oop gemoed het. Ek probeer juis agter die kap van die byl kom. Dis hoekom ek hier deelneem.

    Daan Van der Merwe

    July 11, 2010 at 05:22

  123. Daan, dit is juis my punt. Waarom is ons spesie (wat kan dink) so geneig om ‘n God in die ‘gap’ te druk as ons nie iets verstaan nie. Sê dan liewer ons weet nog nie, maar moenie dit sommer soos oermense toeskryf aan ‘n hemelwese nie. Ons het mos nou al gesien dat dit nie nodig is nie.

    Keep an open mind. Die wetenskap maak rasse skrede en verklaar goed wat ons nooit sou gedink het nie. Vat maar DNA en die menslike genoom – wat die beste bewys vir die Teorie van Evolusie is en dit weereens bevestiging as die enigste verklaring van hoe die lewe op die planeet ontwikkel het.

    Net so sal daar wel ook ‘n verklaring gekry word van hoe die heelal ontstaan het. Daar is baie websites wat vir jou goeie insigte gee. Die skepping versus evolusie websites moet jy baie kieskeurig wees. Dit help nie jy lees wat ‘n dominee oor dit vertel nie – dit moet iemand wees wat ‘n kenner is op sy vakgebied en veral ‘peer reviewed’ is. Dit is belangrik dat die persoon wat iets beweer die aansien van sy ewekniee het.

    Miskien is ons nie so lui, as wat ons nie waagmoedig genoeg is om agter die kap van die byl te kom nie. Ek het en vir die eerste keer in my lewe maak dinge vir my sin. Halleluja🙂🙂

    screw-tin-eyes

    July 10, 2010 at 23:57

  124. Skroef! Naandsê.

    Nee, jy mis my punt. 500 jaar gelede het 98,3% van die mensdom geglo die aarde is plat en die son wentel om die aarde. Die geloof van hierdie mense het inderdaad nie beteken dat die aarde plat is nie, want hy is nie.

    So ja, soos reeds gesê, dalk volgende week, dalk oor ‘n maand of dalk eers oor 1 000 jaar, kan die wetenskap, soos die vorm van die aarde, bewys dat ‘n bo-natuurlike wese nie verantwoordelik is vir lewe op aarde en die mens se herkoms nie.

    Soos Con-Tester hierbo gesê het, is die vraag waar lewe op aarde en die eerste gemeenskaplike oerspesie vandaan kom, nie so ‘n eenvoudige vraag nie.

    Ek het die afgelope 2 jaar na baie websites oor die debat skepping vs evolusie gekyk. En ek probeer werklik objektief bly. As ek iets lees en ek kom agter die skrywer is ‘n voorstaander van die skeppingsteorie wie probeer “bewys” dat die heelal deur God geskep is, lees ek nie eers verder nie.

    En julle manne kan my nou maar glo of julle hoef my nie te glo nie. Ek soek juis na websites waar die skrywers probeer bewys dat ‘n bonatuurlike wese nie betrokke was by die ontstaan van lewe en die herkoms van die eerste spesie nie.

    Die laaste website wat ek tot nou toe gelees het, het die skrywer iets soos die volgende gesê: “There can be no doubt whatsoever that the universe began 9,3 billion years ago with the big bang but what (or who) caused it, we don’t know and probably never will.”

    Dit is die tipe objektiewe uitsprake waarvan ek hou. Hierdie wetenskaplike is akademies eerlik en probeer nie argumenteer vir of teen die tussenkoms van ‘n bonatuurlike wese nie.

    Jou stelling is nie sleg nie, maar wel onregverdig. Ek dink as jy eerlik is sal jy toegee dat dit nie van die mense van 500 jaar terug verwag kon word om te besef dat die aarde rond is nie, nie omdat hulle lui was om vir hulleself te dink nie, maar vir hulle (net soos vandag vir ons!!!) het die aarde plat gelyk en dit het gelyk (en lyk nog steeds!!!) asof die son om die aarde wentel.🙂🙂

    Daan Van der Merwe

    July 10, 2010 at 20:34

  125. Daan, verduidelik vir my hoe die hoeveelheid mense wat iets glo (ja, glo, sonder bewyse) geloof outomaties ‘n waarheid maak.

    Ongelukkig is die enigste ding wat mens daaruit kan aflei, dat ons menselike spesie, met al ons verstand, maar ‘n baie bygelowige klomp is wat lui is om te vir hulle self te dink en toelaat dat hulle aan hulle neuse rond lei word – wat ‘n bevange lot is gelowiges nie, v#k😉

    screw-tin-eyes

    July 9, 2010 at 07:40

  126. Ek like dit! Daan, so ‘n bek moet jam kry! Julle godidiote kan darem die medemens goed vloek!
    HAHA @ kontkop! Vasbyt Daan, jy is amper daar…….

    Satan

    July 8, 2010 at 21:50

  127. Maar jy skryf dan “WORD VERVOLG” aan die einde van jou lysies! Wat, inderdaad, help dit jy voer hulle hier aan?

    Nogtans, myne is nog steeds getalsgewys en in terme van beroemdheid heelwat groter as joue…😉

    Con-Tester

    July 8, 2010 at 21:25

  128. Ai Conroy, daar is so baie argumentii ad populum, wat help dit ek voer hulle hier aan?

    Daan Van der Merwe

    July 8, 2010 at 21:17

  129. Daan, kry vir jou nog argumentum ad populum.

    Con-Tester

    July 8, 2010 at 21:11

  130. VERVOLG

    Soos Pieter Herbst en Nico Steenkamp ook. Soos Gert Scheepers en Marius Beukes ook. Soos Johan Du Preez en Johan Koekemoer ook. Soos Johan Viljoen en Colin Hertzog ook. Soos Paul Buitendag en Hennie Robberts ook. Soos Johan Van Zyl en Martin Meyer ook. Soos Hansie Wolmarans en Guillaume Rocher ook. Soos Henk Joubert en Johan Van Tonder ook. Soos Rikus de Kock en Gerrie Senekal ook. Soos Johann Mouton en Dawie Jacobs ook. Soos Soos Willem de V Sauer en Andries Botha ook. Soos Eddie Echardt en Gert Volschenk ook. Soos Peet Harmzen en Marthinus van Staden ook.

    WORD VERVOLG.

    Daan Van der Merwe

    July 8, 2010 at 20:12

  131. My fok! En wat het ons hier!?!? Naand ou duiweltjie! Vanwaar Gehasie? Bly om jou hier raak te loop, maar gaan praat asseblief kak op ‘n ander plek. Jy lyk en klink vir my na ‘n dom fokken doos.

    NS. Jip, jy het my verloor. Tewens, jy’t my nooit gehad nie kontkop.

    Daan Van der Merwe

    July 8, 2010 at 19:52

  132. Daan, amper verloor ek jou!
    Is dit nou al die godidiote wie se name jy nou so skryf?
    Fok ou, niemand stel in daai name belang nie!

    HAHA … ou Izak Burger is weer besig om goed in te cash op die godidiote!!

    Satan

    July 8, 2010 at 11:43

  133. Humans’ early arrival in Britain

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science_and_environment/10531419.stm

    Researchers have discovered stone tools in Norfolk, UK, that suggest that early humans arrived in Britain nearly a million years ago – or even earlier.

    They must have moved into the Garden of Eden a little later. Like about 999 994 years later.

    McBrolloks

    July 8, 2010 at 01:06

  134. Soos Ben Engelbrecht en Bart Oberholzer ook.Soos Theuns Dreyer en Ernest Van Eck ook. Soos Jimmy Loader en Gerhard Nel ook. Soos Jaap Steenkamp en Willem Kok ook. Soos Geo Smit en Izak Van Rooyen ook. Soos Johan Van Wyk en Frikkie Kruger ook. Soos Nardus Enslin en Johan Bezuidenhout ook. Soos Louis Venter en Frans Oosthuizen ook. Soos Phillip Horn en Wynand Rademeyer ook. Soos Flip Snyders en Gawie Wolmarans ook. Soos Christo Pretorius en Jan Van Immerzeel ook. Soos Louw Van der Linde en Malan Storm ook. Soos Johan Delport en Hendrik Odendaal ook.

    WORD VERVOLG.

    Daan Van der Merwe

    July 7, 2010 at 23:13

  135. Daan skryf ;Ag ou DW. Dink wat jy wil en sê wat jy wil. Dit skeel my werklik nie ‘n paar jakkalsniertjies nie.

    Nee ek weet , dit skeel jou min – so ook vir ander godidiote soos Johannes en Hans ook.

    DW

    July 6, 2010 at 08:32

  136. Ag ou DW. Dink wat jy wil en sê wat jy wil. Dit skeel my werklik nie ‘n paar jakkalsniertjies nie.

    Daan Van der Merwe

    July 5, 2010 at 18:14

  137. Daan , mooi so , maar as ‘n mens dink perdedrolle is vye moet jy maar so dink. Gods!! daar is nie pilletjies daarvoor nie .

    Dit is wel so dat party mense meer vatbaar is vir alkoholisme en ander vatbaar vir hallusinasies . Jy Hans en Johannes skitter op laasgenoemde .

    DW

    July 5, 2010 at 10:08

  138. Daan
    Sorry, dit moes gelees het “enlightenment”

    ErickV

    July 5, 2010 at 10:04

  139. Daan
    Ten minste is jy ook bereid om vrae te vra. Ongelukkig ken ek ook nie al die antwoorde nie en ek hoop jy kry kry ten minste ook die “enlightment” en sien die bybel vir wat dit werklik is.

    ErickV

    July 5, 2010 at 08:03

  140. Ja.

    Daan Van der Merwe

    July 4, 2010 at 16:25

  141. Daan skryf ;

    “die opstanding uit die dood ,”
    Ja.
    “hemelvaart”
    Ja

    Daan skryf ;Ek het gelukkig die gesonde vermoë om kak van koking te skei.

    Ek vra jou weer Daan – dink jy regtig so ?

    DW

    July 4, 2010 at 11:28

  142. Daan, ek dink nie dis ‘n geval van om “‘n doos” genoem te word as jy iets glo wat later verkeerd bewys word nie. (Of iets niè glo wat wèl later reg bewys word.) Die probleem kom wanneer jy ‘n onverklaarbare (of huidiglik onbewysbare) verskynsel aan die optrede van ‘n onbewysde opperwese toedig. (Die sogenaamde god-of–the-gaps) Dìt is die probleem met die fundies. Hulle glo net in die wetenskap solank laasgenoemde nie op een of ander manier Genesis (of wat ookal in die Bybel) verkeerd bewys nie.

    Savage

    July 4, 2010 at 07:45

  143. Sjoe, Daan, maar jou kerk begin darem vroeg.

    Savage

    July 4, 2010 at 07:25

  144. Savage!! Goeie more.

    Ek is jammer dat ek nou eers op jou pos van 30 Junie reageer.

    Baie dankie vir jou eerlikheid.

    Kom ek wees op my beurt ook eerlik.

    As ek in die tyd van Nicolaas Copernicus geleef het, sou ek hom in alle waarskynlikheid ook nie geglo het dat die aarde rond is en om die son wentel nie.

    Ek moet daarom toegee dat my huidige geloof dat daar ‘n Bo-natuurlike Skepper is, moontlik net so futiel is as wat my geloof 500 jaar gelede dat die aarde plat is, sou wees.

    Jy sê dat die wetenskaplikes sal lewe uit “inanimate” material skep, dis net ‘n kwessie van tyd. Wel, as dit in my leeftyd gebeur, sal ek die heel eerste een wees om op hierdie blog te erken dat ek my hele lewe lank ‘n doos van myself gemaak het.

    Jy sê verder dat ek dan seker sal vra waar die atome vandaan kom waaruit die lewende material geskep is?

    Maar natuurlik sal ek. Dis darem mos ‘n billike vraag.

    Lekker dag ou Savage.

    Ek moet gaan klaarmaak vir kerk.🙂😉🙂

    Daan Van der Merwe

    July 4, 2010 at 06:28

  145. DW skryf

    “Johannes Coetzee glo ook nie dat die aarde 6 000 jaar oud is nie.”

    Wat Johannes Coetzee glo en nie glo nie, skeel my minder as ‘n paar vlermuisballe.

    “Wees (sic) die feite op die tafel en rooi wangetjies wat die 6 dag teorie veroorsaak wil jy eerder jou god se skepping baie vroeër plaas – ne (sic)”

    Nee, ek glo dat die skepping van die heelal baie, baie langer as 6 000 jaar terug was omdat ek die gesonde vermoë het om kak van koking te skei.

    “Al wat jy doen is om die Bybel te verkrag”

    Jy praat kak man, soos gewoonlik.

    “Is jy dan nie veronderstel om te glo nie ?”

    Ek sal self besluit wat ek veronderstel is om te glo en nie te glo nie, want ek is nie ‘n slapgat nie en ek het die gesonde vermoë om kak van koking te skei.

    “Vergeet die DOGMA Daan ,jy trap reguit in Johannes Coetzee se kerklike uitspoeg kakpraat”

    Kak, man.

    “dis wat in die Bybel staan.”

    Waar?

    “So jy verwerp wat in die Bybel staan .”

    Nee.

    “Vertel ons nou of jy die maagdelike geboorte glo,”

    Nee.

    “die opstanding uit die dood ,”

    Ja.

    “hemelvaart”

    Ja.

    “en die wederkoms .”

    Nee.

    “Vertel my of jy dink dat Jesus ‘n God is ,”

    Ek is werklik nie meer so seker nie, en gaan daarom voort met navorsing op die punt want ek is nie ‘n slapgat nie en ek het die gesonde vermoë om kak van koking te skei.

    “wie vir jou ( ek het geen sonde nie ) sondes aan ‘n kruis gesterf het sodat jy die ewige lewe mag beërwe.”

    Nee.

    “Daan skryf ; Ens

    Gee nog is jy bangat (sic)”

    Banggat? Vir wie?? Vir wat??? Vir jou???? Fok, jy raak nou vinnig net so snaaks soos Johannes Coetzee.

    Daan Van der Merwe

    July 3, 2010 at 13:05

  146. Daan skryf ?” 4. Ek glo eenvoudig nie dat God 6 000 jaar gelede die heelal met alles daarin in 6 dae geskape het nie.

    Johannes Coetzee glo ook nie dat die aarde 6 000 jaar oud is nie.

    Wees die feite op die tafel en rooi wangetjies wat die 6 dag teorie veroorsaak wil jy eerder jou god se skepping baie vroeër plaas – ne

    Al wat jy doen is om die Bybel te verkrag – Is jy dan nie veronderstel om te glo nie ?

    Daan skryf ;5. Ek verwerp die hele dogma van ‘n plek soos die hel waar goddelose bliksems soos jy in ‘n hiernamaals, soos varkkaiings gaan braai, vir ewig.. en ewig… en ewig…..

    Vergeet die DOGMA Daan ,jy trap reguit in Johannes Coetzee se kerklike uitspoeg kakpraat – dis wat in die Bybel staan. So jy verwerp wat in die Bybel staan .

    Daan skryf 6. Ens ?

    Vertel ons nou of jy die maagdelike geboorte glo , die opstanding uit die dood ,hemelvaart en die wederkoms .

    Vertel my of jy dink dat Jesus ‘n God is , wie vir jou ( ek het geen sonde nie ) sondes aan ‘n kruis gesterf het sodat jy die ewige lewe mag beërwe.

    Daan skryf ; Ens

    Gee nog is jy bangat

    DW

    July 3, 2010 at 09:11

  147. DW!!! Dagsê.

    Ja, ek dink regtig so.

    1. Ek het ernstige voorbehoude oor die histories korrekte weergawe van die sondvloed. (As daar ooit een was.)

    2. Ek het geen twyfel dat die pratende slang wie die beweerde oorsaak van die vrugtestelery was, niks meer was as ‘n Hebreeuse legende nie.

    3. Ek glo eenvoudig nie dat ‘n man drie dae lank in ‘n vis se maag kon lewe nie.

    4. Ek glo eenvoudig nie dat God 6 000 jaar gelede die heelal met alles daarin in 6 dae geskape het nie.

    5. Ek verwerp die hele dogma van ‘n plek soos die hel waar goddelose bliksems soos jy in ‘n hiernamaals, soos varkkaiings gaan braai, vir ewig.. en ewig… en ewig…..

    6. Ens.

    7. Ens.

    8. Ens.

    Daan Van der Merwe

    July 2, 2010 at 17:16

  148. Daan skryf ;Ek het gelukkig die gesonde vermoë om kak van koking te skei.

    Dink jy regtig so ?

    DW

    July 2, 2010 at 08:47

  149. DW!!!! Naandsê

    Jy skryf:

    “..ek wed jou dat jou kapoen kleur FORD XR 6 mags op het , jy die nuutste fur op jou dash het en jy die side pipes van jou exhaust ook gereeld poleer. Mooi man !!!”

    Verkeerd. My 2.5 liter Toyatabakkie het wel mags op, maar in goeie smaak.

    “…jy het ook ‘n I Love Jesus sticker op jou bumper”

    Verkeerd. My liefde vir Jesus het niks met iemand anders te doen nie.

    “…en ek het ook nie spinnekop op my bo arm ge-tatoeëer nie .”

    Ek sal nie weet nie.

    “Ek kan ook nie soveel brannes en coke soos jy suip nie”

    Ek sal ook nie hiervan weet nie. Vir jou inligting: Ek HAAT brandewyn. (Maar ek is MAL oor whisky🙂 )

    “…en ek het ook nie ‘n foto van Victor Matfield bo my bed nie en dra nie ‘n neusring soos julle Bulle ondersteuners nie.”

    Maar natuurlik nie want jy bly nie in Pretoria nie. Ek het net ‘n spanfoto van die Bulle wat in 2007 die Sharks se gatte geskop het, bokant my lessenaar in my kantoor.

    “Maar dat jy so braaf is het fokol met die feit uit te waai dat jy ‘n foking godidioot is .”

    Komende van jou, …. Flattery will get you nowhere.

    “Daan skryf ; Ek gaan Saterdag die boek koop en sal so spoedig moontlik terugvoer gee op hierdie blog.

    Dis nie nodig nie , die meeste hier het al die boek gelees .”

    Oukei. So ek gaan ook.

    “Miskien moet jy eerder die Bybel lees en kyk watse kak jy glo .”

    Ek het gelukkig die gesonde vermoë om kak van koking te skei.🙂

    Lekker aand, ou DW.

    Daan Van der Merwe

    July 1, 2010 at 20:02

  150. Ek glo nie Daan wil regtig reggehelp word deur julle nie! Daan, weet jou vriende dat jy hier uithang?? LOL

    P3

    June 30, 2010 at 21:11

  151. Daan skryf ; Ek gaan Saterdag die boek koop en sal so spoedig moontlik terugvoer gee op hierdie blog.

    Dis nie nodig nie , die meeste hier het al die boek gelees .

    Miskien moet jy eerder die Bybel lees en kyk watse kak jy glo .

    DW

    June 30, 2010 at 16:25

  152. Rick! Dagsê.

    Goed om van jou te hoor.

    Ek gaan Saterdag die boek koop en sal so spoedig moontlik terugvoer gee op hierdie blog.

    Dit gaan jou goed, Rick.

    Daan Van der Merwe

    June 30, 2010 at 14:26

  153. Daan, wil jy weet:

    1. waar lewe begin het op die planeet, of

    2. wil jy weet waar kom die spesie homo sapiens vandaan ?

    Die een het niks met die ander te doen nie. So antwoord ons op dit en dan vat ons dit van daar.

    Dit gaan maar bietjie sukkel as die Bybel jou enigste verwysingsbron is, maar die hoop beskaam nie – nie eens vir ons goddelose klomp nie😉

    Ja ErickV, om en om soos cdjiv. Ek hoor jou.

    screw-tin-eyes

    June 30, 2010 at 14:26

  154. Daan

    As ek mag intjip hier…

    Savage verwys na jou gebrek aan navorsing as ‘slapgat’, terwyl Dawkins daarna verwys na die ‘Worship of Gaps’. Lees gerus Dawkins se God Delusion op bl. 151, nogal interressant.

    Rick

    Rick

    June 30, 2010 at 12:02

  155. Daan Van der Merwe skryf (Junie 30, 2010 om 06:16):

    “[Die herkoms van die gemeenskaplike voorsaat van alle lewe op aarde is] tog ‘n vreeslike eenvoudige vraag!”

    Duidelik is díe vraag nie só vreeslik eenvoudig nie anders sou ons almal ooreenstem met die antwoord. Daan, ek moet sê jy kom my verwagtinge baie mooi na. Verwys na my vorige drie skrywes hierso, veral die van Junie 29, 2010 om 12:27 wat nou wys indien jy dit nog nie gelees het nie. Dit is ook nou duidelik dat geen wetenskaplike antwoord jou tevrede sal stel nie want daar’s ’n omvangryke reeks natuurlike moontlikhede vir die ontstaan van die lewe, maar dit tel vir niks in jou sienswyse nie omdat daar huidiglik geen beslistheid oor die regte scenario gevestig kan word nie.

    Maar die ding wat my amper verstom is dat jy aandring op ’n opregte antwoord tot jou vraag alhoewel jy goed bewus is dat daar tot nou toe geen sekerheid oor die kwessie bestaan nie. Jy vat die onsekerheid as voldoende om ’n “antwoord” wat jy “god” noem te aanvaar sonder om enigsins ’n stappie verder te gaan en na die herkoms van daai “god” te vra nie. Verder, maak dit skynbaar glad nie saak nie dat jou “god,” indien dit wel die oorsaak van alle lewe is, heelwat meer dringend ’n verduideliking kort as dit wat nou kamstig daardeur verklaar word. Dit word maar net onder die mat van “bonatuurlik” (wat dit nou ookal mag beteken) geveeg. En díe benadering is omtrent so onwetenskaplik as wat dit moontlik is om te wees. Verder nog, eis die wetenskap dat enige hipotese waarvoor daar skaars rede en/of bewyse bestaan, verwerp moet word totdat voldoende rede en bewyse tot dag kom wat dit ordentlik kan staaf.

    Jammer, maar jou skynbare ontvanklikheid vir ’n wetenskaplike rekenskap is dus blootgelê vir die armoedige klugspel wat dit is. Gelowiges wil altyd hê dat hulle idees deur andere gerespekteer moet word maar hulle is amper nooit bereid om die omgekeerde moeite te doen nie. En dan wil hulle vinger wys ook nog.

    Con-Tester

    June 30, 2010 at 11:03

  156. OK, Daan, ek verstaan nou jou vraag. (Is self ‘n bietjie stadig)

    Lees ‘n bietjie Junie 2010 se Scientific American, “Creation of Life”, om te sien waarmee wetenskaplikes besig is. Of lees wat J Craig Venter en sy span doen. Maar dit is nog maar ver van wat die DNA verrig om ‘n mens tot stand te bring; daarvoor was biljoene jare se evolusie nodig.

    Die wetenskaplikes sal lewe uit “inanimate” material skep, dis net ‘n kwessie van tyd. Maar dan sal jy seker vra: “Waar kom die atome vandaan waaruit die lewende material geskep is?”

    Jy glo aan ‘n god omdat wetenskaplikes nie diè vraag kan antwoord nie. Maar om ‘n gerieflike storie op te maak omdat jy nie nou ‘n antwoord het nie, is beslis slapgat.

    Savage

    June 30, 2010 at 08:21

  157. Manne, manne, manne.

    Waar kom die menslike spesie vandaan???????? Al het alle lewe op aarde een gemeenskaplike voorsaat, waar kom hierdie gemeenskaplike voorsaat vandaan?

    Dis tog ‘n vreeslike eenvoudige vraag!

    En moenie my na websites verwys nie. Gee my net die antwoord. As ek julle nie glo nie, sal ek wel gaan kyk.

    Mc Blolloks, dis nou loshande die kakste argument wat ek nog teëgekom het. Vlieë eet stront. Dis hulle stapel voedsel! Miskien eet 1% van die mense op aarde stront, alhoewel ek selfs dit sterk betwyfel. Wat ek wel weet is dat 14% van die mense stront as die waarheid aanvaar.

    Skroef, ons praat nie nou oor geloof nie. Ek weet presies wat geloof beteken.

    Ek vra net ‘n eenvoudige vraag. Die Bybel sê God het die mens geskep. Jy verwerp die Bybel. Sê dan net asseblief vir my waar die mens vandaan kom.

    Want jy sien Skroef, as die antwoord so eenvoudig was soos die aarde se vorm, DAN was daar geen ruimte vir geloof/godsdiens nie.

    Daan Van der Merwe

    June 30, 2010 at 06:16

  158. Daan
    Duidelik ken jy nie die storie van “the birds and the bees, the flowers and the trees” nie. Ken jy ooit nog die storie van “een uit ‘n miljoen spermpies”? Nou DIT is die skepping/oorsprong van my en jou se lewe. Daardie spermpie kom van my oorle vader en nie van ‘n sogenaamde vader op ‘n wolk nie.
    En moet aub nie vir my kom vertel dat dit “god se wil” was nie. Dit, vir jou, is een groot pot stront.
    Jy klink vir my net soos ene CDJIV op “Kletskerk”.
    STE sal weet waarvan ek praat.
    Dit lyk nie vir my dat jy werklike antwoorde by hierdie bloggers soek nie, jy is slegs besig om te probeer om gatte van ons te maak.
    Wel, jy probeer verniet!

    ErickV

    June 30, 2010 at 05:55

  159. Ha-ha. PZ Myers said that if people believe there is a god because over 5 billion other people believe there is a god, they might just as well go and eat some shit as well, because twenty trillion flies can’t be wrong either.

    McBrolloks

    June 30, 2010 at 01:13

  160. Daan, ek het vergeet om by te skryf: Die feit dat 86% van mense in ‘n bonatuurlike wese glo maak dit nie waar nie. Weet nie hoe jy redeneer nie. En ons praat van glo – glo, geloof.

    Geloof vra dat jy iets aanvaar as die waarheid (glo) waarvoor daar nie bewyse is nie.

    screw-tin-eyes

    June 29, 2010 at 23:02

  161. Daan Van der Merwe skryf (Junie 29, 2010 om 20:15):

    Conroy!!! Naandsê.

    Hallo daar, ou Danie!

    Daan Van der Merwe skryf (Junie 29, 2010 om 20:15):

    Nee, ek het nie “my maaind opgemaak” nie. Na watter antwoord verwys jy wat ek van die hand wys?

    Diegene wat ander al klaar talle kere vir jou voor die neus gesit is. En hier volg jou afwysigings:

    Daan Van der Merwe skryf (Junie 29, 2010 om 06:30):

    Die Wetenskap het geen verduideliking van waar die “gemeenskaplike voorsaat” vandaan kom nie.

    Ek aanvaar dat die fossielrekord die evolusie teorie een moerse boost gee, maar dit is beslis nie onomwonde bewys waarna ek op soek is nie.

    Daan Van der Merwe skryf (Junie 29, 2010 om 18:47):

    Die antwoord is baie eenvoudig: Want hierdie 86% glo soos ek, dat ‘n Bo-natuurlike (let wel, Erick, ‘n BO-natuurlike) wese die oorsaak is van die mens (gemeenskaplike voorsaat) se herkoms/ontstaan.

    Daan Van der Merwe skryf (Junie 29, 2010 om 19:04):

    Nee, ek kyk niks mis nie. Ek wil weet waar kom ek (die mens) vandaan. Ek verwag nie die antwoord uit die evolusieteorie uit nie.

    Con-Tester

    June 29, 2010 at 21:35

  162. Daan skryf ;As jy tot die laerskoolvlak van ‘n vuisgeveg wil daal, sal ek sewe kleure kak uit jou uitskop.

    Lekker man , ek wed jou dat jou kapoen kleur FORD XR 6 mags op het , jy die nuutste fur op jou dash het en jy die side pipes van jou exhaust ook gereeld poleer. Mooi man !!!

    Fair en wel jy het ook ‘n I Love Jesus sticker op jou bumper en ek het ook nie spinnekop op my bo arm ge-tatoeëer nie . Ek kan ook nie soveel brannes en coke soos jy suip nie en ek het ook nie ‘n foto van Victor Matfield bo my bed nie en dra nie ‘n neusring soos julle Bulle ondersteuners nie.

    Maar dat jy so braaf is het fokol met die feit uit te waai dat jy ‘n foking godidioot is .

    DW

    June 29, 2010 at 21:22

  163. Daan, het jy ‘n dop in of wat. Ek skryf dan vir jou jy gaan nie antwoorde in die Bybel kry nie. Dis nie ‘n wetenskap boek nie. En jy kan watookal van die God van die Bybel dink, Hy pas nie in by die moderne siening van evolusie en die wetenskap nie.

    Ek het vir jou twee websites gegee. Ek kan nie vir jou oplees nie🙂

    Die wiki wat ek gegee het, het ‘n k@khuis vol kruisverwysings man – lyk my jy het nie eens gaan kyk nie.

    Die kort antwoord is: Jy is ‘n Homo Sapien wat oor miljoene jare evoleer het. Die evolusie teorie is ‘n bewysde teorie en waar. Niks het dit nog verkeerd bewys nie.

    As jy nog ‘n God daarby wil inpas, ‘be my guest’ – jy sal egter moet inval by dieIntelligent Design – apologete wat probeer om die ronde ‘peg’ in die vierkantige gat te prop. Enige iets om hulle gotta te behou.

    Ek dink nog jy hou jou dom en onskuldig. Ek het jou al raak gelees op ander forums.

    Tussen hakkies – ek ken iemand wat in haar 90s is en sy kan google. Wat’s verkeerd met jou ?

    screw-tin-eyes

    June 29, 2010 at 21:16

  164. Conroy!!! Naandsê.

    Nee, ek het nie “my maaind opgemaak” nie. Na watter antwoord verwys jy wat ek van die hand wys?

    Daan Van der Merwe

    June 29, 2010 at 20:15

  165. Skroef.

    Ek soek antwoorde in die Bybel, die Encyclopedia Brittanica, die internet en as jy my van nog bronne voorsien sal ek dit baie waardeer.

    Daan Van der Merwe

    June 29, 2010 at 20:12

  166. Daan,jy moenie jou antwoorde in die Bybel soek nie. Ek kan nie agter kom of jy my ‘patronize’ nie, want ek kan nie dink dat jy self nog nie ‘biki ge-wiki’ het nie. Ek dink jy het klaar jou ‘mind’ opgemaak en trek my been.

    Ongelukkig is evolusie die antwoord. En jy het uit Afrika gekom. Hulle het A. Sediba nou so ‘n ruk terug gekry daar by Cradle of Mankind wat byna 2 miljoen jaar oud is en as ‘n oorgangsfossiel beskou word tussen aapagtige en mens.
    Bron:http://news.nationalgeographic.com/2010/04/100408-fossils-australopithecus-sediba-missing-link-new-species-human/

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_evolution

    screw-tin-eyes

    June 29, 2010 at 19:45

  167. Daan, ongelukkig wys my vorige kommentaar nog nie.

    Nie dat ek redelik kan verwag dat dit jou tevrede sal stel nie want jy’t duidelik jou maaind al klaar opgemaak oor die hele saak. Jy daag andere uit om ’n antwoord op jou vraag te voorsien en as hulle so maak dan wys jy dit wat hulle vir jou sê van die hand.

    Dalk sal dit help as jy probeer beskryf watse tipe antwoord jy bevredigend sal vind.

    Con-Tester

    June 29, 2010 at 19:40

  168. Screw! Naandsê.

    Nee, ek kyk niks mis nie. Ek wil weet waar kom ek (die mens) vandaan. Ek verwag nie die antwoord uit die evolusieteorie uit nie.

    ‘n Aanvaarbare antwoord uit ENIGE bron sal goed wees. Op die oomblik het ek net een bron van waar die mens vandaan kom, en dis die Bybel.

    Daan Van der Merwe

    June 29, 2010 at 19:04

  169. DW!!! Naandsê.

    Nee, ek is nie slapgat nie.

    Alhoewel ek ‘n ou man van 56 jaar oud is, sal ek:

    1. Teen jou golf speel en jou gat skop.

    2. Teen jou skaak speel en jou gat nog harder skop.

    3. Saam met jou ‘n halfmarathon hardloop en jou met ten minste 15 minute wen.

    4. As jy tot die laerskoolvlak van ‘n vuisgeveg wil daal, sal ek sewe kleure kak uit jou uitskop. (Ek bly in Wonderboomstraat 585, Pretoria-Noord.)

    Neewat ou DW, as jy dink die debat skepping vs evolusie is verby, lewe jy in ‘n groter gekkeparadys as wat ek gedink het.

    Daan Van der Merwe

    June 29, 2010 at 18:58

  170. Savage!! Naandsê.

    Baie dankie vir jou forensiese analise van my geloofs/godsdiensopvoeding. Baie dankie ook dat jy nie dink ek is slapgat nie. Ek erken dat ek baie foute en tekortkominge het, waarskynlik meer as jy en DW saam, maar “slapgat” is nie een van hulle nie. Inteendeel.

    Jy sien ou Savage, eerlike, nugterdenkende ateiste, waarvan ons mede blogger, Rick, een is, (o ja! en Nathan ook. Naand Nathan!!!) gee toe dat die wetenskap geen verklaring het vir die herkoms van die mens (homo sapiens sapiens) nie.

    Hulle is egter tevrede dat die bestaande wetenskaplike FEITE afdoende is om enige sprake van ‘n bonatuurlike skepping te weerlê. Dis hulle goeie reg.

    Ek glo lankal nie meer die kerk se dogma soos ek as kind opgevoed is nie. Aldrie my broers (waarvan een vir 12 jaar ‘n predikant was, goddelose klein bliksem) wie dieselfde opvoeding as ek gehad het, is vandag ateisties/agnosties.

    Ek het veral ernstige probleme met die wese van God soos deur die kerk verkondig. Maar dis ‘n ander storie.

    Ek onthou dat in 1969 nadat Armstrong en sy buddy op die maan geland het, die “Flat Earth Society” in ‘n persverklaring gesê het dat hulle die ruimtevaarders se foto’s van die aarde verwerp, en steeds glo dat die aarde plat is.

    As DW reg is dat daar geen debat is nie (soos oor die vorm van die aarde) waarom is 86% van die aarde se bevolking steeds gelowig?

    Die antwoord is baie eenvoudig: Want hierdie 86% glo soos ek, dat ‘n Bo-natuurlike (let wel, Erick, ‘n BO-natuurlike) wese die oorsaak is van die mens (gemeenskaplike voorsaat) se herkoms/ontstaan.

    Daan Van der Merwe

    June 29, 2010 at 18:47

  171. Daan, daar is ‘n ding wat jy miskyk. Evolusie het niks met die oorsprong van lewe te doen nie. Evolusie het maar net bewys dat ons van dieselfde oorsprong of voorsate af kom. Dat organismes oor miljoene der miljoene jare evolveer het in verskillende spesies. Het jy geweet dat jy 75 % DNA met ‘n hond deel – ‘s waar.

    Die oorsprong van lewe is abiogenesis. Hulle het al verskillende postulasies en hipotesis en het ‘n goeie idee hoe dit kon ontstaan het. Goed soos die ‘primodial soup’, ens. probeer die uit figure.

    Die feit dat ons nie weet hoe lewe begin het nie, sê nie ons gaan dit nie uitvind in die toekoms nie.

    Waarom dink jy dat jy ‘n voorreg, nl. die ewige lewe, het as homo sapien, bo ander soogdiere ? Net omdat jy kan praat ? Chrimps kan ook dink, ons verstaan nie hulle taal nie, maar hulle het emosies soos ons – beteken dit daar is ‘n hemel vir hulle ?

    Nee, dit beteken daar is nie een vir ons nie. Dis mens gemaak en uitgedink omdat die mens gevorder het tot op ‘n punt wat hy iets moet toeskryf aan goed wat hy nie verstaan het nie. Die mens word al hoe slimmer en godsdiens en jou gotta sal ook sy plek inneem langs Ra en Zeus en die ander ‘uitgestorwe’ gotte.

    screw-tin-eyes

    June 29, 2010 at 18:23

  172. Daan Van der Merwe skryf (Junie 28, 2010 om 06:16):

    “Verduidelik dan net asseblief sinvol vir my waar daai gemeenskaplike voorsaat vandaan kom, dan is ek ook ‘n atheis.”

    As jy die oorsprong van die heel eerste lewe vra dan is die regte antwoord dat niemand rêrig weet nie. Nogtans is daar voorstelle vir ’n natuurlike oorsprong wat op geen bonatuurlike idees berus nie. Indien jy wel die oorsprong van die lewe self bedoel dan is dit redelik seker dat geen bewyse vir jou ooit voldoende sal wees nie want as die vraag eers beantwoord is sal jou volgende vraag wees waar al die goed en wette vandaan kom wat dit alles moontlik gemaak het. Maar as jy in ’n meer beperkte sin die gemeenskaplike voorsaat van die mens bedoel dan hoort jy al klaar ’n ateïs te wees want dit weet die wetenskap net so onbetwisbaar seker as dat ons planeet naby genoeg ’n ronde bol is.

    Daan Van der Merwe skryf (Junie 29, 2010 om 06:30):

    “Ek sal bly glo dat die mens, of die gemeenskaplike voorsaat, deur ‘n bonatuurlike mag, sterker as die mens, geskape is, totdat ek net so seker is van die teendeel soos wat ek seker is die aarde is rond.”

    Die gevolgtrekking dat die mens ’n bonatuurlike skepper verg volg heel en al glad nie van die feit dat die wetenskap antwoorde bied wat vir jou onvoldoende lyk nie. Aanvaarding van die bestaan van só ’n skepper moet op sy eie redes en bewyse berus. Jy kan maar net so wel vir ieder en elke ding wat jou verstand te bowe gaan ’n nuwe en ander bonatuurlike wese postuleer. Op sy eie is die wetenskap se oënskynlike onvermoë om vervullende antwoorde vir jou te gee dus ’n baie swak rede om in ongelooflike wonderwerke te glo. Boonop is daar ’n baie lank ry ouens wat gesê het dat die wetenskap dit of dat nooit sal regkry nie; ouens wat later hulle eie woorde moes eet.

    Con-Tester

    June 29, 2010 at 12:27

  173. En ek speel Sondae golf, maak potjiekos en drink wyn of braai wors en drink brandewyn!

    ErickV

    June 29, 2010 at 10:43

  174. Daan
    Vir my siening kan jy dit kortliks opsom: Die “wese” = moeder natuur = evolusie!

    ErickV

    June 29, 2010 at 10:40

  175. “…omdat jy te slapgat is om verby die spookie indoktrinasie poeding wat jy van kindsbeen af ontvang het te dink.”

    Ek dink nie Daan is slapgat nie, DW. Ek dink daar kon èèn van drie dinge met Daan gebeur het:

    1. Hy is ooglopend as kind geïndoktrineer, en is nou nie in staat om rasioneel die nonsens van enige geloof te deurdink, èn die geloof te verwerp nie.

    2. Hy het sò ‘n slegte dosis god-meme van sy ouers (en voorouers, en voor-voorouers….) geërf, dat dieselfde resultaat as in punt 1 die gevolg is.

    3. ‘n Kombinasie van punte 1 en 2, d.w.s. hy is geïndoktrineer èn het ‘n oordosis god-meme weg. Resultaat soos in punt 1.

    Nou kan daar twee dinge met Daan gebeur:

    1. Sy indoktrinasie/god-meme (afsonderlik of in kombinasie) is so sterk dat hy die meedoënlose, velfvermorselende juk van geloof altyd met hom sal saamdra. So uiters hartverskeurend.

    2. Sy indoktrinasie/god-meme (afsonderlik of in kombinasie) is nie so sterk, met die dat kritiese en rasionele denke die absurditeit van die bestaan van enige god of gode vir hom duidelik word. Die gevolg is ‘n persoon wat godsdiens in sy totaliteit verwerp en begin met ’n lewe wat die moeite werd is om te lewe.

    Savage

    June 29, 2010 at 10:05

  176. Daan skryf ;Soos jy ongetwyfeld weet, woed die wetenskaplike debat van skepping vs ewolusie al vir meer as 150 jaar sonder enige sinvolle konklusie.

    Daar is geen debat nie .

    Evolusie is ‘n feit – PUNT. As iemand ‘n beter wetenskaplike teorie op die tafel gaan plaas gaan dit kom van baie ernstige wetenskaplikes en noukeurige wetenskaplike toetse meting en evaluering.

    Dit sal beslis nie kom van ‘n godidioot wat hallusineer oor spoke, ruimtereise sonde ruimtepakke en wat glo die aarde is 6000 jaar oud omdat die Bybel so sê .

    Godidiote probeer ‘n debat daarvan maak om die kakpraat storie aan die gang te hou. Godsdiens kan nie sonder geld bestaan nie en daarom kan hulle nie bekostig dat die voedingsaar van geloof – die tiendes , basaars, Jesus boekies pamflette en DVD’s opdroog nie.

    Maar jy ou Daan, jy is eerder bereid om jou geldjies op ‘n dodgie spookie figuur wat net in jou verbeelding bestaan te sit omdat jy te slapgat is om verby die spookie indoktrinasie poeding wat jy van kindsbeen af ontvang het te dink.

    Maar ek het nuus vir jou ; die Bybelse 6 dag skepping kakpraat storietjie is so vergesog dat die meeste godidiote dit nie meer kan vertel nie; daarom probeer hulle mense verder bull-shit met ‘n goddelike- evolusie storie of te wel – dat perdedrolle vye is.

    Hoekom is Christene so oneerlik met die wetenskap ? Is dit maar net te moeilik om te erken dat die evolusie teorie ‘n lyn deur die skeppingverhaal getrek het en dat jou god se aansprake toe ook maar ‘n klomp kak was .

    DW

    June 29, 2010 at 09:18

  177. Screw! Moresê.

    Kom ons vergeet vir doeleindes van hierdie gesprek van die Bybel wat, objektief gesproke, geensins gesaghebbend is nie.

    Die Wetenskap het geen verduideliking van waar die “gemeenskaplike voorsaat” vandaan kom nie.

    Ek aanvaar dat die fossielrekord die evolusie teorie een moerse boost gee, maar dit is beslis nie onomwonde bewys waarna ek op soek is nie.

    Soos jy ongetwyfeld weet, woed die wetenskaplike debat van skepping vs ewolusie al vir meer as 150 jaar sonder enige sinvolle konklusie.

    En dis my punt, ou Skroef: Ek sal bly glo dat die mens, of die gemeenskaplike voorsaat, deur ‘n bonatuurlike mag, sterker as die mens, geskape is, totdat ek net so seker is van die teendeel soos wat ek seker is die aarde is rond.

    En die skeel my regtig nie ‘n paar vlakvark niertjies of hierdie Wese se naam Yahwe, Zeus, Diana, Pluto of Repelsteeltjie is nie.

    Daan Van der Merwe

    June 29, 2010 at 06:30

  178. Daan, as jy aanvaar dat die aarde nie 6 000 jaar oud is nie, dan val die skepping soos dit in die Bybel staan weg, reg ? Dit beteken dat die mens as spesie ook nie 6 000 jaar oud kan wees nie.

    Dan is daar nog ander bewyse dat ons nie 6 000 jaar terug geskep is nie. DNA is die beste wetenskaplike bewys dat ons ‘n gemeenskaplike voorsaat gehad het.

    Die fossielrekord bevestig sover dieselfde t.o.v. die Evolusie Teorie. Daar is geen ander teorie t.o.v. ons herkoms nie en dis die enigste wat soos die wetenskap aangaan, oor en oor bevestig word.

    Kyk hierna – dit begin by die ‘sop’: http://i.imgur.com/7qPVh.gif

    Lekker gholf speel, ek hoop dit reen nie🙂

    screw-tin-eyes

    June 29, 2010 at 00:30

  179. Nathan! Naandsê.

    Dis gereël. Ek vlieg reeds Vrydagmiddag Kaapstad toe. Ons slaan Sondagoggend 9h14 af op bof 10 by Mowbray. Die ander twee ouens in ons vierbal is Willem du Toit en Koos Gertenbach. Moet asseblief nie laat wees nie. Ek sien baie uit na die game.

    Daan.

    NS. Moenie jou sand wedge vergeet nie.🙂

    NSS. Jy sal natuurlik voor Vrydagmiddag my van die nodige onomwonde bewyse voorsien.

    Daan Van der Merwe

    June 28, 2010 at 21:01

  180. Daan

    Bespreek 18 gate vir komende Sondag.

    NB

    Nathan Bond

    June 28, 2010 at 15:28

  181. DW!!! Dagsê.

    Baie, baie dankie vir jou beskaafde en gematigde vraag en kommentaar. Hou dit so!

    Laat ek dit so verduidelik:

    As die kerk vandag vir my sê ek is ‘n ateis as ek weier om te glo dat die aarde plat is, dan is ek ‘n ateis. Die rede is eenvoudig. Die aarde is rond. Punt.

    So, as die wetenskaplikes die mens se herkoms net so onomwonde kan bewys soos die aarde se vorm, en ‘n bonatuurlike wese het niks daarmee te doen nie, dan speel ek Sondae golf en maak potjiekos.

    Daan Van der Merwe

    June 28, 2010 at 15:18

  182. Eric! Middagsê.

    Dankie vir jou sinvolle kommentaar. Ek het geen twyfel hoegenaamd dat die aarde baie, baie ouer is as 6 000 jaar. Net so min as wat ek twyfel oor die vorm van die aarde, al sê die Bybel die aarde is plat.

    Daan Van der Merwe

    June 28, 2010 at 15:07

  183. Daan skryf ;Verduidelik dan net asseblief sinvol vir my waar daai gemeenskaplike voorsaat vandaan kom, dan is ek ook ‘n atheis

    Daan nou hoekom op die aarde sal dit vir jou ‘n ateïs maak?
    Lees net die Bybel en dan sal jy weet dit is ‘n pot snot.

    DW

    June 28, 2010 at 14:09

  184. Daan
    Ek self byt nog ‘n bietjie langtand aan die gemeenskaplike voorsaat. Ekself het ‘n ander teorie aangaande homo erectus vs homo sapiens. Ek glo natuurlik dat hul in parrallel ontstaan het.
    Ongeag wat die teorie is, is dit volgens my irrellevant tov die sogenaamde “skepping”. Die aarde is definitief nie net 6000 jaar oud nie. Daarvan is daar genoegsame bewyse as gevolg van koolstof datering en ook radiometriese datering van rotsformasies. Die kreasioniste sal natuurlik daarmee verskil. Hulle sal enige iets doen om hulle geloof te beskerm, veral die wat hulself deur godsdiens verryk.

    EricV

    June 28, 2010 at 11:29

  185. As ek reg onthou het een van julle manne hierbo geskryf dat alle spesies een gemeenskaplike voorsaat het.

    Verduidelik dan net asseblief sinvol vir my waar daai gemeenskaplike voorsaat vandaan kom, dan is ek ook ‘n atheis.

    Daan Van der Merwe

    June 28, 2010 at 06:16

  186. http://www.news24.com/SciTech/News/New-hominid-reveals-walking-20100621

    Washington – Scientists may have found the great, great, great, grandfather of the famous fossil Lucy.

    A new partial skeleton of an early hominid known as Australopithecus afarensis was discovered in a mud flat of the Afar region of Ethiopia.

    Read the comments at the end of the article. The fundies swarmed to this “defending” their god and creationism.

    McBrolloks

    June 27, 2010 at 16:03

  187. She also said: “You talk to God, you’re religious. God talks to you, you’re psychotic.”

    A lot of psychos around.

    Savage

    June 18, 2010 at 14:09

  188. Doris Egan wrote, “Rational arguments don’t usually work on religious people. Otherwise, there wouldn’t be religious people.”

    Savage

    June 18, 2010 at 14:05

  189. “Now” was meant to be “Not”

    McBrolloks

    June 18, 2010 at 12:21

  190. Wow, seems like nothing that happens in the name of religion will ever surprise me.

    Nice quote CT! “If you could reason with religious people, there would be no religious people.”

    Ha-ha!!!!!!!

    And we try. And they get stupider and stupider the more they try and make sense of their own dogma. What an affliction. It seems to me religion, for most, is 1000% more addictive than cigarettes or heroin. Now a habit you can just give up or kick. And a 1000% more dangerous. It doesn’t just kill the user, but can “brainwash” users to go and kill by the thousands. Even kill and harm their own children.

    Quite shocking!!!!!!!!

    McBrolloks

    June 18, 2010 at 12:19

  191. Meanwhile, Islam gives yet another demonstration of its deep reverence for women, as if such was required. This “sense of honour” is anything but. What sort of toxic blinkered depravity commands you to murder a loved one in order to save yourself the wholly imagined embarrassment of a wholly imagined slight!? What is needed is for people to see through the risible absurdities that riddle all religions, but that seems an impossible ask. My current favourite quote (from House, M.D.) is apt: “If you could reason with religious people, there would be no religious people.”

    Con-Tester

    June 18, 2010 at 11:19

  192. Christian love, tolerance and charity show their true colours once more. Then again, banding together to kill those opposing worship has always been part and parcel of this noxious tradition.

    Con-Tester

    June 18, 2010 at 10:01

  193. Pieter skryf: Screw jy is n tosser! jy kyk sommer op die tv na die kerk my ou, is jy in n grot gebore!

    Ek bly soos ‘n gewone mens in ‘n gewone huis. Maar hey, ek sien ek het ‘n toon raak getrap.

    As die argument faal dan raak jy banaal🙂

    Val maar op jou kniee en bid vir vergifnis en lekker kerk-breinspoel vir jou.

    screw-tin-eyes

    June 15, 2010 at 23:11

  194. ’n Nagedagte: Nes ’n persoon wat ’n gewone kanker het, voel die gelowige nie juis siek nie.

    Con-Tester

    June 15, 2010 at 10:02

  195. Thanks, McB!

    EricV, my kommentaar het op die tweede poging verskyn, eers nadat ek gekla het oor die blad se skynbaar ongelyke toepassing van hulle kommentaar polis. My eerste poging, so om en by 19:30, het verdwyn alhoewel ek die polis kennisgewing gekry het, wat bedoel dat my kommentaar wel die moderator(s) bereik het.

    Dis ’n jammerte oor jou seun maar ek’s redelik seker dat elke ateïs met baie soortgelyke familielede te doen het. Die grootgedeelte van my eie onmiddelikke familie reken dat ek vir ewig gaan gloeisels skoffel in die hiernamaals as ek nie bekeer nie en vergifnis soebat (wat nie gaan gebeur nie). Dis hulle ongemak oor my wat my pla, meer as dat hulle ongemak deur hulle eie twak glo veroorsaak is. Ek self beskou geloof eerder as ’n figuurlik aansteeklike breinkanker want dit vreet sommer gou-gou mens se denkvermoëns en redelikheid op. Dit versprei vinnig en belemmer elke gedeelte van mens se lewe. As jy dit wil behandel dan dink die patient dat jy sy lewe op die spel sit want die behandeling, nes die vir gewone kanker, is ongelukkig nog steeds radikaal en dikwels onsuksesvol.

    Con-Tester

    June 15, 2010 at 09:55

  196. Pieter
    Hoe weet jy Screw-Tin-Eyes is ‘n man? Jy is nogal baie beledigend vir ‘n sogenaamde gelowige.

    EricV

    June 15, 2010 at 07:44

  197. CT
    Ek sien jou kommentaar is toe geplaas.
    Dit is ongelukkig baie tragies om te sien hoe diep die breinspoeling is. Enige kommentaar van enige andersdenkende is soos water op ‘n eend se rug. Die fundies is te diep geindoktrineerd (selfs my eie seun is een van hulle) en staar hulle self blind. Ek noem dit ‘n geestesiekte.

    EricV

    June 15, 2010 at 07:40

  198. Well said CT.

    McBrolloks

    June 15, 2010 at 00:06

  199. Ek’t kommentaar daarso geskryf wat nog nie vertoon word nie. Ek het ’n vermoede dat dit gesensor is. Vir wat dit werd is, hiers’t:

    Whoever thinks their fairytale skydaddy had anything to do with this should seriously consider handing in his or her brain and demanding a refund. If this fairytale skydaddy “saved” the man then he also caused him to choke in the first place. But the delusional masses will spin you an utterly ridiculous yarn about “a plan” and “mysterious ways” and such.

    Jannie Du Plessis should hand back his doctor’s degree for this irrational nonsense he spouts.

    I’m ashamed to be associated with the so-called “human” race and the unfathomable depths of stupidity it plumbs

    Dalk voel die redakteurs selfs daardeur aangespreek.

    Con-Tester

    June 14, 2010 at 20:18

  200. McBrolloks, jy het darem maar lekker die toorn van die fundies verwek! Ek wou daar post maar ai tog, wat sê mens vir sulke klomp breindood idiote. Ek het nie gedink daar is so ‘n groot klomp van die ape bymekaar nie. Kan mens jouself nou indink hoe moet hulle kinderopvoeding wees – die arme kinders!

    Savage

    June 14, 2010 at 17:55

  201. Die fundies swerm on jesus se nuutste worderwerk.

    http://www.sport24.co.za/Rugby/Bok-saves-mans-life-after-Test-20100613

    McBrolloks

    June 14, 2010 at 14:35

  202. Mr Potatohead works a weather “miracle” in Worcester. Okay, so he had some help from his brother-in-delusion Sammy Tippit, and a horde of delusional followers. Nevertheless, a weather miracle was wrought. Thousands of delusionals swear to it, so it must be true.

    Oh, and Mr Potato-and-Leek’s autobiographical swoon-epic has become “Faith like a Potato” – another nod to factual accuracy by the religious in their unflagging pursuit of Truth™. 😆

    Con-Tester

    May 27, 2010 at 10:30

  203. Yet another bundle of tragic consequences of religious insanity. So much for the Holey Babble being read figuratively or “spiritually” (whatever that’s supposed to mean).

    Con-Tester

    May 26, 2010 at 11:23

  204. Ek het die afgelope tyd na 2 programme gekyk en geluister op radio en tv. Gistermiddag op RSG se loslip het hulle gepraat oor een of ander kinderboekskrywer wat glo deur die heilige gees of dalk liewe jesus homself die hel gaan wys het. Die ander program was op die National Geografic kanaal op tv en gehandel oor onder andere die uitdryf van duiwels of bose geeste.

    Op loslip se program is die skrywer glo die hel gewys sodat sy die arme ongelowiges kan waarsku oor al die afgryslikhede daar sodat hulle hulself kan bekeer en eerder na die hemel toe kan gaan.Die prenjie wat gskets is, is verby angswekkend. Daar is vertel van kokende potte water waarin gillende verlore siele deur bose geeste gestamp is borrelnde lawa rook en ek dink iewers is swael ook genoem. Daar woon onglooflike gediertes sommige is reuse vlermuisagtge gedrogte en ander is blykbaar half seekoei, krokkedil en dinasaurus gekruis! Baie RSG luisteraars het ingebel en min meer dieselfde tipe prenjie geskets. By die inbellers kry ek die idee dat die mense dit alles onvoorwaardelik glo.Daar is by hulle nie die minste twyfel nie!! Hoe is dit moonlik dat skynbaar opgevoede volwassenes sulke snert kan kwytraak en dink dit is hulle plig om ons daarteen te waarsku.Ek dink dit is ons en veral ons kinders wat teen hulle beskerm moet word.

    Die god van die bybel beweer hy is die alfa en die omega dus vir alles veranwoordelik, dit beteken hy het in sy liefdevolle wysheid ook die hel gemaak. Die god is mos almagtig dit beteken hy het ook vooraf kennis hy weet dus presies nog voordat jy gebore gaan word dat jy nie in hom gaan of kan glo nie en dat jy onglukkig hel toe sal moet gaan tog laat hy dit toe. Ek kan ongelukkig nie neerbuig voor so n god nie en sal nou vir ewigheid die geselskap van vlermuis gedrogte moet geniet.

    Ek wou nog iets vrae oor die uitdryf van duiwels maar my tyd is op. Ek geniet die webwerf baie en besoek dit gereeld.

    Lekker dag

    Dirk D

    May 11, 2010 at 11:20

  205. So hoe kom mens by die kerk as jy nie mag ry of loop nie. Of jy het reeds jou vlerkies gekry – van di engele soort, of,…

    Screw jy is n tosser! jy kyk sommer op die tv na die kerk my ou, is jy in n grot gebore!

    pieter

    May 6, 2010 at 16:40

  206. Pieter skryf: ” Statistieke wys dus duidelik dat die kerk verreweg die veiligste plek is om te wees.”

    So hoe kom mens by die kerk as jy nie mag ry of loop nie. Of jy het reeds jou vlerkies gekry – van di engele soort, of,…

    Ek neem aan jy het jou intrek by ‘n kerk geneem. Dis eintlik nie so ‘n lekker kozy plek nie, maar ek is seker as jy in die moederskamer vir jou ‘n bed indra, sal dit seker nie so onherbergsaam wees nie.

    screw-tin-eyes

    May 5, 2010 at 16:14

  207. Volgens julle is ons reeds breindood voor ons sterf, dus die rede hoekom die grappie dit seker nie insluit.

    Pieter

    April 21, 2010 at 16:10

  208. Did you know;

    The dyslexic agnostic insominac?
    Laid awake all night wondering if there was a dog…

    Pieter

    April 21, 2010 at 16:08

  209. Pieter skryf (April 21, 2010 om 14:37):

    Dit is egter goed om te weet dat slegs 0.001% sterfgevalle tydens eredienste gebeur en selfs minder terwyl mense besig was met Bybelstudie.

    Statistieke wys dus duidelik dat die kerk verreweg die veiligste plek is om te wees.

    Jou statistieke is heel ongeldig want jy sluit brein sterftes uit. Die oorgrote meerderheid brein sterftes gebeur juis in verband met die aktiwiteite wat jy die veiligste verklaar.

    Con-Tester

    April 21, 2010 at 15:58

  210. Statistieke is duidelik:

    1. Moenie in motors ry nie, want 20% van alle sterfgevalle is deur motorongelukke.
    2. Moenie tuis bly nie, want 17% van dodelike ongelukke gebeur in die huis.
    3. Moenie op straat of op sypaadjies stap nie, want 14% van sterfgevalle is voetgangers.
    4. Moenie per lug, spoor of water reis nie, want 16% van sterfgevalle gebeur daar.
    5. Van die orige 33% sterfgevalle, het 32% in hospitale gebeur. Vermy hospitale dus ten alle koste!

    Dit is egter goed om te weet dat slegs 0.001% sterfgevalle tydens eredienste gebeur en selfs minder terwyl mense besig was met Bybelstudie.

    Statistieke wys dus duidelik dat die kerk verreweg die veiligste plek is om te wees.

    Gaan dus gereeld kerk toe en lees jou Bybel getrou.

    Dit kan jou lewe red!

    Pieter

    April 21, 2010 at 14:37

  211. Hans, jy skryf:
    “McBrolloks, ek het ‘n ander woord vir duiwel, naamlik, my wil”

    Huh?

    ErickV

    April 21, 2010 at 08:36

  212. Hans, you wrote: “I must say, you are quite good at writing a lot of crap.”

    Yes, Hans, I learned from the best. Boy, let me tell you. I still stand in AWE of the bible. The greatest book of crap ever written. I guess my exposure to that book when I was a youth did have quite the influence on me. And the kicker is, billions of people believe that mumbo jumbo crap.

    I did then learn something from my bible.

    McBrolloks

    April 20, 2010 at 15:50

  213. So, to clear matters up, the volcanic eruption was not an act of God, but the Devil’s work. But Heaven did send an Angel to clear the matter up.

    The Lord works in mysterious ways.

    McBrolloks

    April 20, 2010 at 15:39

  214. Update from Heaven.

    The Angel sent to move the volcanic dust is currently hard at work to solve this big problem.

    “Ash cloud to move to Arctic”

    http://www.news24.com/World/News/Ash-cloud-to-move-to-Arctic-20100420

    “”Not only will such a low change the winds and push the ash towards the Arctic, but the rains associated with this low pressure system will result in a degree of ‘wash out’ of ash at lower levels,” ”

    God bless!

    McBrolloks

    April 20, 2010 at 15:36

  215. Hans, jy’t ongelukkig nie die moed nie om te sê, “Dis ekke, dis ek, díé!” Gelowiges is maar ongelukkig uit hulle aard uit oneerlik.

    Con-Tester

    April 19, 2010 at 22:02

  216. Con-Tester, jy het ongelukkig nie die onderskeidingsgees om die uitsonderlikes te sien.

    Hans Matthysen

    April 19, 2010 at 21:41

  217. McBrolloks, read John 1 and you will see, that God is the “Word”. The pilot went against the “Word” of warning, not to land and to go to another airport, where the weather was clear. The angel, was no one else but the one who uttered the word,s of warning. Human error then ac-cured.
    I must say, you are quite good at writing a lot of crap.

    Hans Matthysen

    April 19, 2010 at 21:38

  218. Waar, Hans? Wáár is jou uitsonderlike gelowiges? Díé uitsonderlike gelowiges wat met toewyding opsetlike onkunde vermy? Wáár is jou uitsonderlike gelowiges wat egte kennis bó onkunde kies? Wíé is dááí mense, Hans? Wys hulle vir my, toe!

    Want raai, raai, raai vir my ’n ding: mense met só ’n geaardheid is so ampertjies altyd ongelowig.

    Con-Tester

    April 19, 2010 at 21:37

  219. Savage, ek sien jy tel jouself en jou mede adiote in as die wat in God glo?

    Hans Matthysen

    April 19, 2010 at 21:25

  220. Screw-tin-eyes, jy weet duidelik nie wat ek glo nie en is dus nou op ‘n dwaal wat my geloof betref.
    Omdat ander mense anders glo as jy, moennie dat dit jou ontstel nie. Ander glo dat God die natuur ens. geskep het.

    Hans Matthysen

    April 19, 2010 at 21:21

  221. Con-Tester, daar is die uitsonderings.

    Hans Matthysen

    April 19, 2010 at 21:12

  222. Savage, you know it is Sunday today. The angels don’t work on Sunday. It is their day off. Since they joined The Local 777 Angels Union, they do not lift a wing on Sundays.

    Hopefully that angel heaven sent will get his shit together on Monday.

    McBrolloks

    April 18, 2010 at 17:25

  223. “We also sent an angel down to turn the wind direction away from Western Europe, and more towards the North Pole and Siberia.” ( from McBrolloks)

    “… and weather experts said wind patterns meant the cloud was not likely to move far until later in the week.” (from msnbc)

    McBrolloks, it seems to me you will have to have a word in Angel Gabriel’s ear. His angel is having a romp somewhere, if you ask me. (I mean, when Big Daddy came to Earth, He had a pretty good time; getting Himself a Son and all.)

    Savage

    April 18, 2010 at 14:47

  224. This volcano is just a small example of how a lot of people only give a huge fuck about pollution if it affects their immediate plans.

    But the future of their grandchildren and great grandchildren etc etc etc. Fuck off pal, don’t bother me with that propaganda. And don’t try and sell me you snake oil if I don’t want to pay for it.

    My point is, this eruption is getting more press than everything else that is really a fucking disaster.

    This volcano can not hold a candle to the amount of pollution humans pump into the planet’s atmosphere every minute.

    McBrolloks

    April 18, 2010 at 09:53

  225. Well STE, that depends on how quickly that angel can get those winds to change direction.

    McBrolloks

    April 18, 2010 at 09:46

  226. Thanks, ‘Gabriel’. So I will be able to fly.🙂

    Like with so many things in life, there is always a very logical and straight forward explanation for everything.

    Act of God indeed. There are normally more fatalities when God is involved, like Haiti.

    screw-tin-eyes

    April 18, 2010 at 07:53

  227. Urgent Press Release from Heaven

    April 17th 2010

    Heaven’s Angelic Messenger Angel, the Angel Gabriel, has just released an urgent press statement directly from Upper Management in Heaven.

    “Just over a week ago, a terrible disaster occurred when the crash of an aging Russian airliner ravaged the top levels of Poland’s military, political and church elite last Saturday, killing the Polish president and dozens of other dignitaries as they traveled to a ceremony commemorating a slaughter that has divided the two nations for seven decades just outside Smolensk.

    Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk and some cabinet members flew to Smolensk from Warsaw. The president’s twin brother, former Prime Minister Jaroslaw Kaczynski, headed to the area in a chartered plane along with party members.

    News of this disaster immediately sent millions of prayers up to Heaven, nearly crashing the European Prayer Switchboard in the Heaven PrayComm Utilities Department.

    This kind of prayer traffic has not been experienced since the last Soccer World Cup final, when millions and millions of Italian soccer fans all prayed for Italy to be victorious in the final against France. These prayers were answered, with Italy winning during a penalty shootout, 5-3.

    The Heaven PrayComm Utilities Department was barely able to process all the prayers coming in after the latest plane crash disaster. They had to use circuits dedicated to other parts of the globe to prevent a major crash in prayer communications.

    It all seemed to work fine, until millions of people got stranded after the Icelandic glacier-covered Eyjafjallajokull volcano erupted, and millions and millions of tons of volcanic ash was blown over parts of Western Europe.

    This caused many of Europe’s biggest airports to be closed down, resulting in millions of travelers to be stranded, some of them thousands of miles from home.

    This had the effect of millions and millions of more prayers coming in through the already overstressed European Prayer Switchboard in the Heaven PrayComm Utilities Department, resulting in a complete crash throughout the whole system.

    It took engineers 16 hours to fix the problem. They had to relay and delay and even in some cases shut down many switchboards. PrayComm estimates that around 15 million prayers got lost during the downtime.

    The reason for this press release is to clear a very important matter up. This statement will be released through as many press agencies as possible.

    The whole confusion started when some ignorant journalist called the Eyjafjallajokull volcanic eruption an act of God.

    Upper Management in Heaven wants to be absolutely clear on this matter, and also take the time to explain the real cause of this disaster.

    First of all, it was NOT, and we repeat, NOT, and act of God.

    To explain we have to go back a couple of centuries. During the 1400’s, England made a pack with Satan himself. Satan would help them to conquer the world, and accumulate many riches in the process, in exchange for England becoming more and more secular and less and less religious. This deal was struck between Satan and some of only a couple of people in charge of running the British Empire. The British Empire reached the height of its strength during the last century. Secularism did as well.

    The whole reasoning behind this deal was that Satan could use the British Empire to get a good foothold all around the world. Empires lead by example, and Satan thought this would be a good idea to put a damper on religion spreading faster through the world.

    To make a long story short, this pack still exists between these two parties, although the terms has changed over the last century. Instead of conquering land, the British Empire now conquers financial markets.

    The plot thickens here. The Icelandic glacier-covered Eyjafjallajokull volcanic eruption was actually caused by Satan. This was in accordance with the terms of the Satan-British Empire Pack. Iceland had it coming. They defaulted on approximately 6 Billion, with a B, British Pounds of debt they owed the Empire. After Iceland’s currency collapsed, they defaulted on all their foreign debt.

    So to be clear, as retribution, Satan caused the volcanic eruption in Iceland. The whole plan backfired when the winds blew the volcanic dust over to Western Europe, causing the whole travel delay disaster.

    We could not reach Satan for a comment. When we contacted his PR Office, all we got was a loud voice laughing and laughing, as if it was a big joke to them. Another source told us that Satan was busy striking a deal with the pope, to help the Vatican out of a pickle, and will not be available for comment for quite sometime.

    So we hope this clears the matter up. The volcanic eruption was not an act of God. Our prayer channels are all open again, and functioning at 100%. We also sent an angel down to turn the wind direction away from Western Europe, and more towards the North Pole and Siberia.

    Just shows you how the words of one ignorant and stupid reporter can ruin things for everyone. Glad we could clear this matter up. Peace be with all.”

    Gabriel

    McBrolloks

    April 17, 2010 at 22:14

  228. Die dinosourusse het ook seker gesê toe die astroïde die aarde getref het: “Wat het God teen ons dat hy ons wil uitwis?”

    En die klein voorouers van ons wat so lank deur die dinosourusse onderdruk is het gejuig: “God is aan ons kant! Nou kan ons ontwikkel tot Homo Sapiens en Hom aanbid en vereer.”

    En dit is die rede hoekom ons dit nogsteeds doen. (Die storie het so ‘n bietjie verwronge geraak maar dis mos maar soos dinge gaan.)

    Ek hoop nie die uitbarsting in Ysland raak so erg dat ons as spesie tot niet gaan en dan op my sterfbed die geprewel van ‘n goggatjie hoor: “Dankie, God, dat jy hierdie lot in hulle moer stuur sodat ons en die ander kan oorleef.”

    Savage

    April 17, 2010 at 14:21

  229. Ek sit waar ek nie wil wees nie en wens die blerrie Ysland-aswolk weg. Nou sien ek op die nuus dat hulle dit:

    ‘ An act of God ‘ noem. Ek stik amper in my koffie.

    Waarom dit nie noem wat dit is nie: ‘n natuurlike, wetenskaplik verklaarbare gebeurtenis. Dis ‘n verdomde aswolk, veroorsaak deur ‘n vulkaan wat dit die lug in stuur, deur die wind gewaai word waar ons dit toevallig nie wil he^ nie.

    Shit, die wereld is ver heen. En kinders hoor dit en word seker bang. Flip, wat ‘n klomp idiote.

    screw-tin-eyes

    April 17, 2010 at 13:07

  230. Hans: ‘Hulle glo nie in dit wat logies is nie.’

    Alles dui daarop dat JY dit nie doen nie. So jou 6000 jaar ouderdom van die aarde stem ooreen met die 4.5 biljoen jaar van die wetenskap se ouderdom.

    Verduidelik. Daar is of kan niks geestelik wees aan syfers nie. Hulle is🙂

    Die geloof verg fantasie en verbeelding en natuurlik is die kweek-aarde onkunde.

    screw-tin-eyes

    April 17, 2010 at 10:06

  231. McBrolloks, ek het ‘n ander woord vir duiwel, naamlik, my wil.

    Hans Matthysen

    April 16, 2010 at 23:39

  232. Hans, geloof verg opsetlike onkunde en ongelukkig kies gelowiges altyd onkunde bo kennis.

    Con-Tester

    April 16, 2010 at 23:29

  233. Con-Tester, Geloof verg verstand en ongelukkig is daar baie wat onverstandig glo.

    Hans Matthysen

    April 16, 2010 at 23:23

  234. Savage, die Ark is maar ‘n sinnebeeld en die Bybel en Wetenskap hoort nie bymekaar nie. Mense dwaal maar lekker omdat hulle vleeslik e dinge bedink.
    Ek moet met jou saam stem, dat daar baie is, trouens die mederheid, mislei word.

    Hans Matthysen

    April 16, 2010 at 23:15

  235. Screw-tin-eyes, daar is beslis dinge wat ek verstaan en jy nie. Dit is werklik niks om oor suur te wees nie. Ek beskou my nie beter as ander nie, net meer bevoorreg.
    1. Ek stem met die geoloë saam en dit bots nie met die Bybel soos wat ek die Bybel verstaan.
    2. Glad nie vir my ‘n probleem nie, want die Bybel gaan nie oor die natuur nie.
    3. Dit is wonderlike ontdekings.
    Ongelukig is daar baie sogenaamde gelowiges, wat vleeslike denke koester wanneer hulle die Bybel lees. Hulle glo nie in dit wat logies is nie.

    Hans Matthysen

    April 16, 2010 at 22:54

  236. Pieter, ek sien jy was op youtube en het ‘n onderhoud met ‘n wetenskaplike gehad oor evolusie.

    screw-tin-eyes

    April 16, 2010 at 15:51

  237. Hierdie is nogal snaaks. Oom Aartappel het toe ‘n bymotief vir hierdie heilige woodstock wat hy hou🙂

    http://www.beeld.com/MyBeeld/Daar-is-groter-wins-in-di%C3%A9-koolkoppe-20100415

    screw-tin-eyes

    April 16, 2010 at 10:30

  238. Vader Brolloks maar jy kan kak kwyt raak, dit nogal vir n geleerde!!

    Ek lag nog steeds my gat af!!jy moet gaan boeke skryf, jy sal duisende verkoop!!!

    Pieter

    April 16, 2010 at 08:56

  239. Hi Pieter, nee, ek het nie daardie song self uitgedink nie. Dis deur Iron Maiden. Een van daardie duiwel bands waaroor ons oor en oor in die skool gewaarsku was.

    Die onnies en die dom fokken dominies het so 2 keer per jaar vir ons van al hierdie musiek vertel. Musiek wat deur die ergste sataniste geskryf was, met die hulp van die duiwel homself. Natuurlik het dit ons kinders aan gespoor om onmiddelik hierdie musiek in die hande te probeer kry, en het ons nie.

    Ha-ha. Elke keer as een of ander dom poes vir ons probeer vertel het wat sondig is en duiwels is en materiaal is om reguit hel toe te gaan, het ons dit in die hande gekry. Enige iets om nie in een van daardie dom fokkers met hulle klein breine en snorre in te verander nie.

    Die snaakste was altyd hoe hierdie arseholes heentemal alles wat hulle gepreek het geglo het. Ha-ha. Die spoeg het party keer by hulle monde uit gespuit soos hulle gebrul en gebler het oor alles wat satanisties is en wat ons in die verderf in gaan lei.

    Ja, jy en jou mense is so bekwyl met die duiwel. Ha-ha! Nog ‘n spook waarin julle glo. Die lys is nogal lank vir julle xtinne.

    Kom ek kyk gou of ek al julle spoke kan opnoem:

    Jesus, sy kwaai pa, en dan die oupa, of soos julle dit noem, die heilige gees. Ha-ha. Dan het ons een van die belangrikste akteurs in julle lewe: die duiwel.

    Dan het ons al die side kicks: Vader Xmas, die fokken Paas Haas, die engele en die saints, julle heilige mense, soos julle dominiees en Angusse.

    Nogal baie om op te noem. Ha-ha. Julle is heentemal die klits kweid. En natuurlik is die aarde dan ook nog net 6000 jaar oud. Fok, ek kan nie hierdie kak vir kinders vertel met ‘n straight face nie. Ha-ha.

    Maar julle klomp groot mense gaan elke week na julle grotte toe en huil na die maan vir julle gode. Elke dag en aand bid julle vir een of ander spook, en jukle glo die duiwel le om elke hoek en draai en wag net vir julle om op te daag.

    Elke keer as iemnd gevang word met sy piel in ‘n hoer of in sy broer se vrou of iets, is dit die duiwel se skuld. Hansie Kronje het selfs gese dit was die duiwel wat hom laat kroek het. Ha-ha!!!!!!

    En dan as iets tragies gebeur, soos iemand wat sterf voor hulle tyd, dan se jy en jou fokken tjommies dit was julle spook se wil. Dis absurd!

    Ek ken baie van jou soort. Jy kan maar dink jy is hoe fokken slim, maar solank as wat jy glo in al hierdie spoke en stories en al die absurde kak wat saam met dit gaan, kan ek net mooi na fokkol luister wat jy oor praat nie.

    En een ding wat jy en jou tipe altyd baie konstant mee is, is dat ons nooit van julle kan verwag om konstant rationeel op te tree nie. En ek het dit al baie gesien. Jy moet net iemand wat baie gelowig is lank genoeg ken, en jy sien hoe hulle letterlik lekker begin kak aan jaag in een of ander ding waarmee hulle betrokke is. En dan was dit gewoonlik die duiwel se skuld. Jesus sal mos vergewe.

    Jou grappie oor die oorlosie is nogal goed. Vir iemand wat nog op graad twee vlak redeneer. Ek kan net sien hoe jy en jou maatjies julle gatte af lag oor daardie grappie. Ha-ha!!!!

    McBrolloks

    April 16, 2010 at 00:08

  240. Pieter skryf: Why did the atheist throw her watch out the window?
    She wanted to see if it was designed intelligently enough to evolve into a bird.

    Hel, dis amper so ver gesog as om ‘n klomp ou geskrifte op ‘n hoop te gooi en te verwag ‘n veewagter moet ‘n Bybel daaruit maak.

    screw-tin-eyes

    April 15, 2010 at 16:06

  241. Bly jy het dit geniet Nathan!!

    Pieter

    April 15, 2010 at 12:17

  242. I wonder what profit will Buchan show this time around? Did you all see that moron with that cross over his shoulder? What a pathetic figure he makes out.

    ErickV

    April 15, 2010 at 11:18

  243. Hoekom sterf so baie mense in die wereld as gevolg van tsoenamies, aardbewings en ander rampe?
    Dit is omdat satan/lucifer/duiwel (nog ‘n drie-in-een) vir god oorwin en sy vinger in god se oog steek, weer en weer en weer.

    ErickV

    April 15, 2010 at 10:43

  244. Bg is loshande die kakste stelling wat ek nog ooit voor gelag het! Godsk!

    Nathan Bond

    April 15, 2010 at 10:16

  245. Why did the atheist throw her watch out the window?
    She wanted to see if it was designed intelligently enough to evolve into a bird.

    Pieter

    April 15, 2010 at 10:11

  246. tis maar n kak song, Brolloks., HET JY DIT SELF UIT JOU DUIM GESUIG?

    Pieter

    April 15, 2010 at 10:09

  247. An Iron Maiden song. He-he!!!!

    Holy Smoke

    Believe in me – send no money
    Died on the cross, that ain’t funny
    But my so called friends they’re making me a joke
    They missed out what I said like I never spoke
    They choose what they wanna hear – don’t tell a lie
    They just leave out the truth as they’re watching you die
    Saving your soul by taking your money
    Flies around shit, bees around honey

    chorus

    Holy Smoke Holy Smoke, plenty bad preachers for
    The Devil to stoke
    Feed’em in feet first this is no joke
    This is thirsty work making Holy Smoke
    making Holy Smoke

    Jimmy Reptile and all his friends
    Say their gonna be with you at the end
    Burning records burning books
    Holy soldiers, Nazi looks
    Crocodile smiles, just wait a while
    Till the TV queen gets her make-up clean
    I’ve lived in filth, I’ve lived in sin
    And I still smell cleaner than the shit you’re in

    repeat chorus

    Holy Smoke – smells good

    They ain’t religious but they ain’t no fools
    When Noah built his Cadillac it was cool
    Two by two they’re still going down
    And the satellite circus just left town
    I think they’re strange and when they’re dead
    They can have a Lincoln for their bed
    Friend of the president trick of the tail
    Now they ain’t got a prayer 100 years in jail

    repeat chorus

    Holy Smoke – hah

    McBrolloks

    April 15, 2010 at 00:06

  248. Dankie, screw-tin-eyes, ek volg hierdie storie van Waltke al vir ‘n ruk. Van jou link aangaande die “vryheid van denke” by die kollege waaraan hy verbonde was:

    “Milton said that the seminary allows “views to vary” about creation, describing the faculty members there as having “an eight-lane highway” on which to explore various routes to understanding.”

    Hulle ry seker met dinky toys op hierdie highway wat in ‘n sandput gebou is.

    Ek is nog steed besig op Biologos (nog nie verban nie) en wel met ‘n loon genaamd BenYachov.

    http://biologos.org/blog/does-genetics-point-to-a-single-primal-couple/

    As iemand daar wil post wees gewaarsku, om iemand delusional te noem is uit. McBrolloks ek dink jy sal so vinnig daar verban word dit sal nie eers snaaks wees nie, he-he.

    Savage

    April 12, 2010 at 16:57

  249. Erik V, skkus my ou daai is n non-return valve, maar jy kan gerus instaan, ek sal jou die vaseline gee.

    Pieter

    April 12, 2010 at 16:35

  250. Savage, jy sal hierin belangstel. Wat n’ klomp hipocrites. Inderdaad is enige geloof wat nie wetenskaplike feite aanvaar besig om hulle self in ‘n ‘cult’ te verander.

    BioLogos en Templeton – bedmaats.

    http://www.usatoday.com/news/education/2010-04-09-IHE-evangelical-endorsing-evolution-forced-out09_ST_N.htm

    screw-tin-eyes

    April 12, 2010 at 14:02

  251. En Pieter, jy is die een wat seker moet buk!?

    ErickV

    April 12, 2010 at 13:10

  252. lees die titel van die blog , screw, jy hoef te slim te wees om dit te begryp nie?!

    Pieter

    April 12, 2010 at 09:39

  253. Pieter, niks intelligents om te se^ nie ???

    screw-tin-eyes

    April 10, 2010 at 13:52

  254. nou ja toe, julle almal is n klomp naaiers!!!

    Pieter

    April 10, 2010 at 10:24

  255. Just been listening to Potatohead on e-tv for a few minutes; my first time ever I hear him speak. He has a long way to go to match muscles Ray and his ilk. He was making more propaganda for a gathering he is organising April, 16 than preaching the Good Lord’s Word, but I suppose business comes first. He finished off to say he’ll see all the men there, so looks like no Elmer Gantry type back-room-screwing to take place.

    Savage

    April 10, 2010 at 06:33

  256. McBrolloks wrote (April 9, 2010 at 9:41 pm):

    God must have entered through another one of Mary’s orifice’s.

    Yup, prolly the gaping hole in her head…

    McBrolloks wrote (April 9, 2010 at 9:43 pm):

    Why did jesus even have to exit a vagina. His dad dropped him off inside, couldn’t he just be delivered in some other way?

    Yeah, omnipotence can be such a bugger, I tell ya! ’Specially when yez a practickle jokah.

    defollyant

    April 9, 2010 at 22:27

  257. This makes me wonder. Why did jesus even have to exit a vagina. His dad dropped him off inside, couldn’t he just be delivered in some other way?

    McBrolloks

    April 9, 2010 at 21:43

  258. Funny how the religious fundies all find the vagina and homosexuality very very offensive.

    So don’t call jesus a homo, and don’t say he ever had a bit of vagina.

    The only contact the holy son of christ ever had with a vagina was when he exited one when he was born. He has never entered a vagina, not even during conception. God must have entered through another one of Mary’s orifice’s. And the only thing jesus ever used his penis and asshole for was pissing and shitting.

    If they had ebay during the time jesus walked the earth, imagine how much a holy shit would have sold for.

    McBrolloks

    April 9, 2010 at 21:41

  259. Protest Erupts as Gallaudet University Plans Offensive Homosexual ‘Jesus’ Play with Federal Tax Dollars

    http://www.christiannewswire.com/news/7313013535.html

    McBrolloks

    April 9, 2010 at 21:37

  260. A 12-year-old Yemeni bride died of internal bleeding following intercourse three days after she was married off to an older man, the United Nations Children’s Fund said.

    http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/meast/04/09/yemen.child.bride.death/

    McBrolloks

    April 9, 2010 at 16:43

  261. I am so excited about the find of these fossils and what it will contribute to our understanding of our past.

    It will be fun to see hou fundamentalist-Christians will struggle to make this fit in with the Bible and Genesis. Another square peg found and the Bible is just full of round holes.

    I would like to see how they can bring the flood into this as well, Con-Tester – another fun thing for us to watch – and they are for sure going to try.

    At least there are undisputable methods of dating that leave no room for speculations as to the age of the fossil – give or take a million.

    screw-tin-eyes

    April 9, 2010 at 09:32

  262. Wonder bo wonder is ek nog nie die pad gewys nie; nog maar net gewaarsku dat ek aan my vingernaels hang, screw-tin-eyes, maar ek werk daaraan. Wag net vir ‘n lekker topic dan gaan ek laat rip.

    Savage

    April 8, 2010 at 22:34

  263. Con-Tester, another nail in the Bible thumpers’ coffin!

    But no, wait. The small brain size indicates that they did not have the entrepreneurial skills to build a boat that would keep afloat in those murderous storms. The clever people believed in and worshipped God, while the imbeciles were the sinners and deserved to die. (I always new I was stupid.)

    Savage

    April 8, 2010 at 22:30

  264. Con-Tester

    April 8, 2010 at 19:57

  265. Wat help dit Savage – soos jy se^, hierdie ouens klop mekaar net op die skouer, weier om met ander te praat wat nie hulle sienings deel nie en voila – hulle leef steeds in hulle eie droomwereld en wat dit so erg maak – hulle is hulle eie ‘validators’, moderators en bevestigers van hulle wetenskaplike dwalings.

    Die doel, klink dit my, is om nie verkeerd bewys te word nie, anders het hulle nie bestaansreg nie.

    Ek dink dit is ‘n kompliment dat hulle jou die pad gewys het. Mens mors mens se tyd met hulle, maar daar is darem van die delusionals wat ‘n smile verskaf🙂

    Ek sal bietjie daar gaan lees daar.

    screw-tin-eyes

    April 8, 2010 at 14:20

  266. “The only conceivable reason for trying to reconcile science and religion is a misguided sense of political correctness, and, more often than not, science suffers as a result of such futile folly.”

    Right on, Con-Tester, and that is exactly what is happening at BioLogos. Atheists like Michael Ruse is bending backwards to accommodate the religiose. That is why renowned scientists have decided it was a futile exercise to debate the science religion debate there any longer. (I went to have a look at the site when I read that, and boy oh boy, what an absolute bunch of loons.)

    Screw-tin-eyes, jys reg. Hulle is te bang om op enige blog waar mense met goeie redenasies post, self deel te neem. Die rede? Hulle weet hulle sal vernietig word en daar is nie ‘n “moderator” (asseblief!) om hulle te beskerm nie. Al wat ek van party se redenasies genoem het is dat hulle delusional is en muddled thinkers – en bam! Ek word gewaarsku en my posts verwyder. (Dit sal eintlik ‘n klap in my gesig wees as ek nie daar verban word nie, he-he.)

    Savage

    April 8, 2010 at 11:54

  267. Savage, as hierdie ouens ‘science en religion’ bymekaar wil bring, dan gaan dit nie help as hulle anders denkendes wegjaag nie. Hulle haat dit maar net om op hulle plek gesit te word.

    2+2 maak mos maar vir hulle 401😉 en hulle wil tog nie iemand wat dit in soveel woorde se^, he^ om te kom inmeng nie. Ons sien hulle ook nie op hierdie blog nie, want hulle weet hulle sal gou die waarheid sonder doekies omdraai hoor.

    Hierdie is die beste alles-in-een debunk wat ek nog gelees het vir kreationiste.

    http://forum.richarddawkins.net/viewtopic.php?p=2416335#p2416335

    screw-tin-eyes

    April 8, 2010 at 08:35

  268. Not that what I have said above is in any way original.

    Con-Tester

    April 7, 2010 at 20:19

  269. Savage wrote (April 7, 2010 at 5:48 pm):

    En diè blog se motto is om science en religion bymekaar te bring – nie maklik nie!

    Science demands the provisional rejection of unproven hypotheses, pending the arrival of compelling evidence for same. Religion demands the unconditional acceptance of provably absurd hypotheses, regardless of what the evidence indicates. Can two approaches be any more at odds with one another than that? The only conceivable reason for trying to reconcile science and religion is a misguided sense of political correctness, and, more often than not, science suffers as a result of such futile folly.

    Con-Tester

    April 7, 2010 at 20:18

  270. Ek was so ‘n ruk besig op die ou blog van Francis Collins (van genome project faam), biologos.org. Het so met die tyd opgemerk van Sean Carroll en Jerry Coyne se blogs dat hulle en ander bekende wetenskaplikes nie meer daar post nie, want die fundies het totaal oorgeneem. Dit is iets om te aanskou. Die YEC (young earth creationists) is totaal en algeheel ‘n klomp loons. Hulle neem aktief aan wetenskaplike besprekings deel en praat die grootste klomp nonsense wat jy nie self kan uitdink nie al probeer mens. Ek is natuurlik gou gewaarsku en 2 van my posts is verwyder – te militant teen die loons. Maar nou dink ek ek is verban – wag net vir die final blow. En diè blog se motto is om science en religion bymekaar te bring – nie maklik nie!

    Savage

    April 7, 2010 at 17:48

  271. Sommige gelowiges op hierdie blog staan vas die Bybel is waar, net soos hy daar staan. Ek het die volgende vrae aan hierdie mense, wat ek graag sou wou voel hoe hulle redeneer en hoe hulle die kloutjie by die oor kry:

    1. Wat dink jy van die geoloë wat vasgestel het die aarde is ongeveer 4.5 biljoen (met ‘n B) jaar oud. Hoe pas dit in by jou Bybel wat sê die aarde is net 6 000 jaar oud.

    2. DNA bewys dat alles op aarde ‘n gemeenskaplike oorsprong het. Ja, Hans, ons is verwant aan ape.

    3. Wat dink jy van die fossiele van diere (wat nie meer vandag bestaan nie) wat baie ouer is as 6000 jaar ?

    Hierdie was nogal oulik, miskien verklaar dit alles😉

    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=437_1247516939&

    screw-tin-eyes

    April 6, 2010 at 07:08

  272. Waar kom die Christelike superioriteit vandaan as hulle uit die hoogte sê: Ek is ‘n Christen.

    Asof dit vir hulle ‘n soort ‘credibility’ gee wat bo-oor enige ander siening en waarde gaan. Amper ‘n soort van ‘n brandmerk van heiligheid wat mens moet admireer.

    Asof dit iets is wat hulle beter maak as ongelowiges, beter maak as iemand van ‘n ander geloof en dan, om die ‘cherry’ op die koek te sit, wil hulle nog vir jou bid, want jy het redding nodig.

    Wie de blêrrie hel dink hulle is hulle. Hulle gee voor dat hulle iets weet wat ander nie weet nie – naamlik die ‘Groot Waarheid’.

    Hulle het geen bewyse om dit te staaf nie, net hulle ‘devine knowledge’ dat daar ‘n God is wat alles beheer en oor alles waak, wat met hulle praat en vir hulle aan die lewe hou.

    Hulle houding van: Ons weet ons is reg, julle is verkeerd en siestog ons sal vir julle vir genade bid. Hoe aanmatigend, hoe verwaand en hoe kortsigtig.

    Tog dink ek dat daar in ‘n sekere mate ‘n onderliggende ongemak is. Kan dit ‘n minderwaardigheidsgevoel wees wat manifesteer in hierdie arrogante houding om dit te verbloem ?

    screw-tin-eyes

    April 5, 2010 at 13:28


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